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View Poll Results: ANONYMOUS POLL - Should banned user mods/maps/etc be deleted from these boards?
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Yes - Fair's fair, the board can't forbid a user AND profit from their past contributions.
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No - These mods & maps actually belong to Schrapnel Games, not the authors.
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Abstain - I don't want to be banned form the boards for choosing the wrong answer.
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December 13th, 2010, 11:36 AM
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Re: Should banned user mods/maps/etc be deleted from these boards?
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Authors do not have the right to 'delete' their work from the public domain, whether or not a library they dislike profits from it.
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Public domain? I don't think those words mean what you think they mean.
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December 13th, 2010, 06:06 PM
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Re: Should banned user mods/maps/etc be deleted from these boards?
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Authors do not have the right to 'delete' their work from the public domain, whether or not a library they dislike profits from it.
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Public domain? I don't think those words mean what you think they mean.
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They do, and you're obfuscating the point.
"Works are in the public domain if they are not covered by intellectual property rights at all."
It would take long years in a sympathetic court to yield even a slight acknowledgment of IP rights on a mod. Especially a mod of one copyrighted game to add the units of another copyrighted game to it.
As I've said, this does not reflect my opinion on the modders themselves, but it is nonetheless accurate.
The purpose of modding is likely to improve something you enjoy. You clearly acknowledge that you will be aiding the game and all who profit from its improvement. Including you.
I'll give a useful example:
If Jim Butcher urinated on the floor of a Barnes and Noble, he may be banned from the premises.
Will the store still sell The Dresden Files? Yes.
And he actually does have the IP rights to that series.
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December 13th, 2010, 11:38 PM
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Re: Should banned user mods/maps/etc be deleted from these boards?
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They do, and you're obfuscating the point.
"Works are in the public domain if they are not covered by intellectual property rights at all."
It would take long years in a sympathetic court to yield even a slight acknowledgment of IP rights on a mod. Especially a mod of one copyrighted game to add the units of another copyrighted game to it.
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Creating a mod of copyrighted IP in another copyrighted IP does not an will never ever release anything in the public domain.
I'm not obfuscating the point. You are using public domain wrong. Sure the creators of the mod do not gain the copyright for the mod. But neither is the mod released to the public domain. Public domain is never the issue here. Unless the creator of the mod (a mod which is not based on a third party IP) released it specifically to the public domain. Which nobody ever did as far as I could recall.
So my point stands. You misused public domain.
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December 14th, 2010, 04:01 PM
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Re: Should banned user mods/maps/etc be deleted from these boards?
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Authors do not have the right to 'delete' their work from the public domain, whether or not a library they dislike profits from it.
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Depends on your country.
In France they definitely can. Except for software for some reason. The code de la propriété intellectuelle goes so far that there are some rights that cannot be legally transferred (moral rights), and these include the right to no longer allow publication of one's work.
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Art. L. 121-4. Nonobstant la cession de son droit d'exploitation, l'auteur, même postérieurement Ã* la publication de son oeuvre, jouit d'un droit de repentir ou de retrait vis-Ã*-vis du cessionnaire. (...)
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So basically anything written in France cannot be published without the author consent, even if there was a paid contract for that. Problem being the paid contract being broken, the author will have to pay an indemnity to the publisher if he wants to stop the publication, and he has to give this same publisher priority should he allow publication og his works again...
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December 13th, 2010, 02:34 PM
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Re: Should banned user mods/maps/etc be deleted from these boards?
I agree that those words were misused, since "public domain" has a specific meaning in copyright context.
Do you disagree with the actual point though? Do you think authors have (or should have) the right to delete published copies of their work?
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December 13th, 2010, 02:45 PM
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Re: Should banned user mods/maps/etc be deleted from these boards?
I don't really have a clear opinion on it. Something can be said for both sides.
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December 13th, 2010, 05:39 PM
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Re: Should banned user mods/maps/etc be deleted from these boards?
This topic is quite pointless since no matter what the voting results nothing would change. It's like having a topic called, "Should development work for Dominions_4 be started?". Even if 99.9% of the community voted "yes" with 80,000 verified real votes it would not change anything.
I'm thinking some disgruntled banned members orchestrated this discussion as a way for tossing pebbles into the ocean in an attempt to make some waves. It's kinda cute.
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December 13th, 2010, 05:44 PM
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Re: Should banned user mods/maps/etc be deleted from these boards?
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I'm thinking some disgruntled banned members orchestrated this discussion as a way for tossing pebbles into the ocean in an attempt to make some waves. It's kinda cute.
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christ that's dumb. It's purely cleveland's creation. He's an old and well-liked member of the community, but he only shows up now and then. He came by shrapnel, read up on the old news, became incensed, and posted this poll. Hopefully it doesn't mean that he's given up on Dominions entirely, but it may well.
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December 13th, 2010, 06:03 PM
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Re: Should banned user mods/maps/etc be deleted from these boards?
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Originally Posted by archaeolept
christ that's dumb. It's purely cleveland's creation. He's an old and well-liked member of the community, but he only shows up now and then. He came by shrapnel, read up on the old news, became incensed, and posted this poll. Hopefully it doesn't mean that he's given up on Dominions entirely, but it may well.
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Are you blind? Look at the abstain voting option and you'll clearly see it's not an independent view. Abstain is clearly an obvious attack instead of being "Abstain - No comment" and thus allowing members to post their own reasons for abstaining. As I wrote earlier this is just a pebble into the ocean... cute to watch. LOL
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December 13th, 2010, 05:42 PM
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Re: Should banned user mods/maps/etc be deleted from these boards?
Cleveland is definitely Sombre's alt
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