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HELOS Con't:

A4. ADD: NEW ZEALAND/NH 90 TTH A109 /JUN 2011/C3 P20/With its roll on - roll off ramp it can also accommodate a single vehicle up to 2.5 tons. The TTH has "nap of the earth" flying ability. There is supposed to be work done or being done to accommodate MG's for protection.
http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/...0466/#more-466 Breakdown of the RNZAF NH-90 program.
http://www.military-today.com/helicopters/nh_90.htm
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AC-130U TIME TO...

C1. CHANGE: USMC/AC-130U SPOOKY/UNIT 573/Name AC-130U SPOOKY to AC-130U+4 SPOOKY/End Date to DEC 2010 vice DEC 2020/In the eyes of the USAF this was a failed attempt to remove the 25mm and 40mm and replace it with the 30mm. This was conversion was only done on 4 of the 17 operational SPOOKYS. Part of the reason the conversion was due to the maintenance and ammo requirements of the 25mm and 40mm. The other, the 30mm was found to be inaccurate and thus "operationally unsuitable" The USMC has other thoughts about this (30mm) but you'll have to wait until my first Patch Post for 2012 to find out why.
http://www.globalsecurity.org/milita.../ac-130u-4.htm Great overview of the issue at hand and at the bottom is the reason I started the thread in the first place.
http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/...-a-time-03023/ Detailed background on the project.
http://www.af.mil/information/factsh...et.asp?fsID=71

A1. ADD: USA/AC-130H SPECTRE/JAN 1998 - DEC 2020/Use USA UNIT 564for the base./These never stopped flying and are in service (8) for the foreseeable future. This "new" unit is at least electronically comparable to the
current AC-130U (TI/GSR etc.). However and if time allows before the deadline, the AC-130 will be advanced further electronically and in weaponry (VIPER STRIKE ATGW) as well with information I have.
If not I'll present it for next year. It willbe next year.
http://www.af.mil/information/factsh...heet.asp?id=71
http://www.globalsecurity.org/milita...ft/ac-130h.htm
http://www.globalsecurity.org/milita...-130-specs.htm Comparison between SPECTRE and SPOOKY. Note weapons and ammo info.
http://www.globalaircraft.org/planes/ac-130_spectre.pl As immediately above.
http://www.fas.org/programs/ssp/man/...ack/ac130.html Gets into the electronic issue in greater detail.
http://spectre-association.org/historySpectre.htm A little history from the guys who flew them.
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Jets and Planes but...

A1. ADD: EQUADOR/CHEETAH C/JAN 2011/Use SOUTH AFICAN UNITS 154& 336 for the base./Retired by the SAAF in 2008, the planes have been maintained in storage for surplus sales purposes. Used JAN 2011 since Ecuador has been involved with these planes in both South Africa and at home for over a year.
http://www.defpro.com/news/details/20518/ Reports the buy.
http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/...Ecudaor-05832/Does the same and details it as well. It'll show these to be upgraded versions of the CHEETAH C as well.
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A2. ADD: THAILAND/GRIPEN C (TRAF JAS 39C)/OCT 2011/Use SWEDISH UNITS 327- 329 for the base./These are brand new fighters. The GRIPEN C is the single seat 4th generation interceptor version.
http://www.deagel.com/Strike-and-Fig...000532001.aspx A good quick look.

A3. ADD: THAILAND/GRIPEN D (TRAF JAS 39D)/OCT 2011/Use SWEDISH UNITS NONE(?) for the base./As above except that the GRIPEN D is the two seat 4th generation fighter-bomber version with heavier payload.
http://www.deagel.com/Strike-and-Fig...000532002.aspx As above. The rest below cover the deal plus more for both.
http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/...022/#more-4022 When you can get the full articles they're hard to beat.
http://www.defpro.com/news/details/20615/ SAAB comes to Thailand in partnership deal.
http://www.defpro.com/news/details/20612/ Thailand orders more GRIPEN C fighters.
http://www.saabgroup.com/en/Air/Grip...-for-Thailand/ Click on tabs at top for further info.
http://www.saabgroup.com/en/Air/Gripen-Fighter-System/ Homepage that'll allow you too find info on all current user nations.
http://www.saabgroup.com/en/Air/Grip...pecifications/
http://www.military-today.com/aircra..._39_gripen.htm Though older, provides good background info note chart to left (Normal feature of site.) weapons section.
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D1. DELETE: RUSSIA/Su-47 BERKUT/UNIT 170/This is strictly a prototype/demonstrator craft.
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C1. CHANGE: RUSSIA/Su-50/UNIT 963/Name to either Su PAK FA or
Su-50 PAK FA vice Su-50./This might avoid confusion with the T-50 that was the prototype and puts it in line with net searches as normally known simply as PAK FA.
Posts #3; #5 and #9.

Miscellaneous items to include a couple of deletions.

D1. DELETE: USA/MERCENARIES & MP SQUAD/UNITS 725 & 726 and
106 - 109 respectively./ I had hoped this search would've yielded more then this but I searched the game world pretty thoroughly and within the my thoughts on the matter as posted below.
Posts: APC thread Page 7; Posts #66 - #68.

1/23/2011 That's it!!

Regards,
Pat

[DRG]

Originally Posted by FASTBOAT TOUGH

68.


ADD: NEW ZEALAND/NH 90 TTH A109 /-

THERE IS NO NEW ZEALAND IN THE GAME PAT

Originally Posted by FASTBOAT TOUGH

68.
1/23/2011 That's it!!

now go a take a nice Loooooooooooong break please and remind me never to say " I guess that's about it........" ever again.....

Don

[FASTBOAT TOUGH]

Don,
Sorry that was a breakdown in my notes. I missed the "crib note" to myself not to post it here. After the "push" over the last week and a halve and my last two weekends off, I just wanted to get it done as discussed and early and it got by. My apolizies and sorry for the inconvenience. It's back to the news.

Regards,
Pat

[FASTBOAT TOUGH]

Don,
For background to this question see Pg.5, first Post, Item C1 this thread.
The USMC have since about the early Fall of 2010 been using their MC-130 refueling planes as "light gunships" (HARVEST HAWK.) with "roll on roll off" weapons and support equipment. Before I put time into this I want to know given the slot limitations of the USMC & USA (The Air Force is doing the same with their light tankers.) do we want to go there knowing that we have the SPOOKY and SPECTRE (Fixed in the last patch.) until the current game runs out in 2020. Also note we will probably see a new SPOOKY before 'games end" using the C-130J Spec ops planes if the budgetary issues can get worked out. I can go either way as this was an item I just ran out of time with last year, my refs are in place. Sorry the pace has been slow though about done with land equipment, just lot's going on everywhere.

Regards,
Pat

[Suhiir]

Originally Posted by FASTBOAT TOUGH

Don,
For background to this question see Pg.5, first Post, Item C1 this thread.
The USMC have since about the early Fall of 2010 been using their MC-130 refueling planes as "light gunships" (HARVEST HAWK.) with "roll on roll off" weapons and support equipment. Before I put time into this I want to know given the slot limitations of the USMC & USA (The Air Force is doing the same with their light tankers.) do we want to go there knowing that we have the SPOOKY and SPECTRE (Fixed in the last patch.) until the current game runs out in 2020. Also note we will probably see a new SPOOKY before 'games end" using the C-130J Spec ops planes if the budgetary issues can get worked out. I can go either way as this was an item I just ran out of time with last year, my refs are in place. Sorry the pace has been slow though about done with land equipment, just lot's going on everywhere.

Regards,
Pat

Shussssssh !!!!!!

By mandate/law ONLY the US Air Force is permitted to operate cargo and gunship aircraft.

The USMC is ONLY permitted to operate refueling aircraft.

The fact that on occasion the discountable internal refueling tanks are occasionally left behind and cargo is loaded or that weapons mounts may be part of that cargo are merely coincidence. The USMC KC-130 is solely a refueling aircraft.

The USAF does not allow the USMC to operate any cargo or gunship aircraft.

[FASTBOAT TOUGH]

Got you, but, the question remains is it worth adding to the game given the slot limitations? I do know this that the SPOOKY's just completed a major upgrade that I suspect at a minium will increase the TI/GSR to 50 if not more. And likewise will or should cause a plus in FC as well, remember these are considered precision fire platforms even to danger close inside 100m. That mod will be submitted. So again, to HARVEST HAWK or not, ready to go ethier way. Here's a taste and note the program has been expanded since the first ref. And as you should know this next ref is very through.
http://www.dvidshub.net/news/60315/k...le-afghanistan
http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/...Tankers-05409/

In the meantime, all OSPREY's to get moded with a new weapon ststem under the Helo section of the PP.

Regards,
Pat

[Suhiir]

My vote would be don't add it.

It's a very limited availability very limited use weapons system.

[FASTBOAT TOUGH]

I agree, we're the only country operating truly modern gunships at this time and I've started to feel like the "Soup Nazis" of slot resources, thanks to some, and you know who you are!?! For Italy and a couple of other countries that might follow suit with their
C-27J aircraft (See Jets and Planes...thread Post #42, #4.) that'll be a different story if and when they get there. There will be another issue I will address for both SPECTRE and SPOOKY beyond what I've eluded to already that might cause a bit of a stir. So hopefully I'll get there by the first week of August because I'm submitting what I have at that time regardless as I expect some Q&A right from the very first set of items submitted. Thanks for looking at this item for me as I know the work you've put into the CORPS for the game.

Regards,
Pat

[Suhiir]

Originally Posted by FASTBOAT TOUGH

I agree, we're the only country operating truly modern gunships at this time and I've started to feel like the "Soup Nazis" of slot resources, thanks to some, and you know who you are!?! For Italy and a couple of other countries that might follow suit with their
C-27J aircraft (See Jets and Planes...thread Post #42, #4.) that'll be a different story if and when they get there. There will be another issue I will address for both SPECTRE and SPOOKY beyond what I've eluded to already that might cause a bit of a stir. So hopefully I'll get there by the first week of August because I'm submitting what I have at that time regardless as I expect some Q&A right from the very first set of items submitted. Thanks for looking at this item for me as I know the work you've put into the CORPS for the game.

Regards,
Pat

Adding the C-27J makes sense as it adds a currently non-existent capability to the user nations. The USMC OOB already has the AC-130J/U so the HARVEST HAWK doesn't add anything.

Contrary to popular opinion I do believe in the KISS (Keep It Simple, Stupid.) principal.