Tech-Grid-Mod

[Phoenix-D]

Well, for one it removes the possibility of upgrading to, say, Mineral Miner III from I if you have Monolith tech. And if the planet is 100/0/10, you don't really -want- a monolith.

[Fyron]

A planet with no SY gets no racial SY bonuses (and some other SY bonuses) on it, so yes, it would be wrong making Temporal SYs be upgradeable from normal SYs, as the extra time becomes greatly diluted.

And upgrading everything to monoliths is indeed a very bad idea.

[Hotfoot]

Originally posted by Phoenix-D:
Well, for one it removes the possibility of upgrading to, say, Mineral Miner III from I if you have Monolith tech. And if the planet is 100/0/10, you don't really -want- a monolith.

Ah, but you see, that's the beauty of it with the tech-grid mod. You could easily make monolith facilities unavailable for a specific mining facility until after reaching level 3 in that facility.

Allow me to explain further:
Rather than having just one monolith facility per tech level, you have four. One is the regular facility, the other three are the "upgrade" Versions for mineral, organic, and radioactive miners. Having normal monoliths means that you build them as per normal, but once you get level 3 resource production, you can begin upgrading to the appropriate monolith facilities (starting with level 1, of course).

Originally posted by Imperator Fyron:
A planet with no SY gets no racial SY bonuses (and some other SY bonuses) on it, so yes, it would be wrong making Temporal SYs be upgradeable from normal SYs, as the extra time becomes greatly diluted.

*shrugs* This is true, but I think it is only a minor point. If you increase the cost enough, even racial SY bonuses will only be moderately effective.

EDIT: Besides which, if you're worried about racial bonuses applying to shipyard construction, why not consider advanced storage techniques as being potentially unbalancing in this regard, since a higher population will allow the temporal shipyard to build faster with or without a shipyard already in place. You could alter this number further through other racial traits as well, such as reproduction, environmental resistance, even happiness.

And upgrading everything to monoliths is indeed a very bad idea.

Personally, I think it's a bad idea to be forced to spend hours doing something which should take mere seconds. The way I have described above would seem to work without becoming overpowered.

[ May 15, 2003, 08:28: Message edited by: Hotfoot ]

[Fyron]

*shrugs* This is true, but I think it is only a minor point. If you increase the cost enough, even racial SY bonuses will only be moderately effective.

No, the more expensive you make it, the more of an effect racial SY bonuses have (ie: they more expensive it is, the more time you get to save with a bonus).

Personally, I think it's a bad idea to be forced to spend hours doing something which should take mere seconds. The way I have described above would seem to work without becoming overpowered.

There are many, many instances in which one would not want to upgrade a facility to a monolith, because it would do no good, and waste a huge amount of resources. 100/0/10 value planets DO NOT need monoliths on them, and it would infact be a very bad idea to build them on such planets (as would upgrading to them).

[narf poit chez BOOM]

value improvement plants. i put them everywhere. well, one planet at a time at first.

[Fyron]

Value improvement plants take a while to have a large effect, and it is still a bad idea to upgrade to monoliths on those planets until much improvement has been done. You will lose a lot of production in the mean time if you switch to monoliths on 100/0/10 planets.

[narf poit chez BOOM]

but...but...i want to maximize!