Mod: CBM 1.8 released

[NooBliss]

>> Frankly, the argument that the SDR change boned people from diversifying into blood is silly. It simply isn't like other paths where you can get a viable income via bootstrapping.

Not true.
First, there are nations with recruitable b1 hunters; they are hit much worse than these with b2. These, in my opinion, are hardly hit at all.
Second, there are summons like Lamia queen and Asinja, they get b1 quite frequently. Of course, it was a costly way to get into blood, but it was an option. Now it's gone. Bad if you ask me.
And lastly, there's a big difference between 'your income sucks' and 'your income sucks big time'

[TheConway]

Originally Posted by NooBliss

>> Frankly, the argument that the SDR change boned people from diversifying into blood is silly. It simply isn't like other paths where you can get a viable income via bootstrapping.

Not true.
First, there are nations with recruitable b1 hunters; they are hit much worse than these with b2. These, in my opinion, are hardly hit at all.
Second, there are summons like Lamia queen and Asinja, they get b1 quite frequently. Of course, it was a costly way to get into blood, but it was an option. Now it's gone. Bad if you ask me.
And lastly, there's a big difference between 'your income sucks' and 'your income sucks big time'

Those nations with recruitable B1s would be Lanka, Mict, and Van out of the actual good powers IIRC. The first two are the major offenders when it came to blood being OP in world w/o clams. Van I agree has major issues there, and you're not the only one who wants to give them a bit of a buff to compensate. As for the rest, I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.

[NooBliss]

Originally Posted by TheConway

Those nations with recruitable B1s would be Lanka, Mict, and Van out of the actual good powers IIRC. The first two are the major offenders when it came to blood being OP in world w/o clams. Van I agree has major issues there, and you're not the only one who wants to give them a bit of a buff to compensate. As for the rest, I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.

Lanka and Mictlan have a recruitable B2, so they are not hit as hard as one would hope to. This nerf has only affected these who already struggle, which is kinda lame.

Soyweiser - will you consider getting into blood by using blood boosters as SDRs? By the time you will have a half-decent blood economy, the game will be over. Some costs are just too high.

I, myself, was glad to see SDRs removed at first. With clams gone, blood is absolutely broken (as in overpowered). But I am playing MA Agartha now, and I dont miss SDRs - recruitable B2 hunters are as good as ever. This nerf failed, imho.

[Soyweiser]

Originally Posted by NooBliss

Lanka and Mictlan have a recruitable B2, so they are not hit as hard as one would hope to. This nerf has only affected these who already struggle, which is kinda lame.

Soyweiser - will you consider getting into blood by using blood boosters as SDRs? By the time you will have a half-decent blood economy, the game will be over. Some costs are just too high.

Lanka and Mictlan have b2 as cap only mages iirc.

(Sure lanka gets 1/3 b2 on their mage priest, but that isn't that reliable).

And as you now pay more for each blood slave as blood nation you have less gold for other stuff. (And most blood nations still need a lot of god).

But I agree that the b1 only nations are hit the worst and should get some sort of boost.

And now you cannot bootstrap yourself into a large blood econ without serious effort, if you don't have any blood. Not a huge problem.