Question time.......

Pax · #1 July 14th, 2002, 05:27 AM

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Originally posted by Ragnarok:
No, no partnerships or nothing like that. That's what confused me this time about it all. I was at war with the empire in my Last game. Which makes no sense at all.

Are you sure the prior game was solely a MINEfield, and not a SATTELITE group?

A cloaked, sensor-equipped sattelite in an out-of-the-way corner is a good way to keep track of a star system you're not going to be colonising in anytime soon ...

Or just a cloaked -remote mining- sattelite, in MODs that allow miniaturised components ... 8)

Will · #2 July 14th, 2002, 05:34 AM

It might have been a somewhat-recent change... I know in SEIII, a common tactic was to leave mines in an area of a system that normally wouldn't be traveled in, to spy on any activities going on there. Unrealistic, sure, but it was a nice early-warning system

geoschmo · #3 July 14th, 2002, 05:48 AM

No, it's not a recent change. Mines have given no vision as long as I can remember in SEIV.

Most likely what happened here was something like he was partners with a thrid empire that had a cloaked ship in the system and he thought he was getting a view from his mines, when he actually wasn't. On PBW we have had about 8 to 10 reports of a "bug" in which a player gets a view of a system they should not, and in EVERY case it's turned out to be a cloaked ship belonging to a partner that they were not aweare was in that system.

Geoschmo

Ragnarok · #4 July 14th, 2002, 06:36 AM

Hmmm, no ships at all partners or not were in the system, and I'm positive it was mines and not satillites. Is it possible that one of my partners were partners with the empire I was at war with which would've given them the veiw of the system and thus it relating back to me? I doubt it is but that's one possible explimation.

Forgive my latenight spelling errors. I know I did someplace. Just too tired and to go back and look through.

Arkcon · #5 July 14th, 2002, 03:51 PM

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Originally posted by Ragnarok:
Is it possible that one of my partners were partners with the empire I was at war with which would've given them the veiw of the system and thus it relating back to me? I doubt it is but that's one possible explimation.

Yes that is how it would happen. Or even if your partner was partner with a partner with a partner ... no matter how many levels it goes.

But if that were the case ... you should have seen everything your enemy had. So if you don't remenber seeing all that, then I don't know what's the cause.

It is pretty funny tho ... I didn't understand at first how an enemy was able to track my cloaked scout -- I didn't know that's what partnerships mean.

Recently I was at war with just about everybody, and a neutral wanted to be partners -- and everyone was partners with at least some one else. So I said yes. And saw the entire map, and all ships cloaked or not, and IIRC all SRY. And of course, they saw all mine. So I made some mental notes of where to hit and broke the treaty.

Yeah, that was a little cheezy -- but these were TDM races. I need every trick I can get.

[EDIT] I think somebody said that partnership cloaked ships only show up if some partner has a sensor to penetrate the cloak -- even if it's your own ship with cloak and sensor

Which is really too funny -- it was my own scout that gave away it's position.

[ July 14, 2002, 15:07: Message edited by: Arkcon ]

geoschmo · #6 July 14th, 2002, 04:09 PM

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Originally posted by Ragnarok:
Hmmm, no ships at all partners or not were in the system, and I'm positive it was mines and not satillites.

No offense Ragnarok, but how are you so sure that none of your partners did not have a cloaked ship in the system? Keep in mind if they did have a cloaked ship in the system, you would NOT have seen their ship, only what their ship saw. Unless they had TWO ships in the system. But if they only had one ship in the system and it was cloaked, you would have seen only what it saw, and not the ship itself.

As Arkon says, if it was a parnter chain thing, you would have seen all your eneimies ships and planets everywhere, not just in the system where you thought the mines were spying for you.

Geoschmo

[ July 14, 2002, 15:09: Message edited by: geoschmo ]

Arkcon · #7 July 14th, 2002, 04:45 PM

[quote]Originally posted by Ragnarok:

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Ok thanks, that's what I thought. But I wasn't sure cause they worked as a 'viewer' in my Last game so that threw me off.

I once dropped one mine just to monitor a system I abandoned -- and noticed that they definitely don't work as "presence". I was ambivalent about the result -- but the Baron is right, the 100 % undetectable spy is unfair. It's supposed to be a weapon after all.

I abandoned the system because I was fighting the Rage for it and the sun was about to go nova. I really wished I could have seen their dozens of PPB armed BB go *poof*. Shame their leadership didn't listen to their scientists like I did. Heh Heh.

At least I knew when it actually happened and could deploy the cruiser hull remote miners (is that the smallest size where it's profitable, I can't recall).

My people were so cold, so hungry. Forced to abandon their even the meager homes they had scratched out in a harsh system, surrounded by enemies. *Snif* Why doesn't anyone like us? Can't we all just get along?