MP: ANDalusian Sun: Lolomo wins after more than 2 years of gruelling competition!

[Calahan]

Originally Posted by NooBliss

Well... Having looked at the holy war mod again, I like it even less than before. If it's not too late to sign out, I'd like to do so.

If that will cause you guys to waste time looking for another player, I can stay tho.

I can't say I'm too fond of the Holy Wars mod either, or if I'm honest, the changes CBM 1.8+ has made (to 1.6). But I promised myself I'd try one game with CBM 1.8+ to see if I liked it, mainly out of loyalty, with this game being that one game. So right now I'm just viewing Holy Wars in the same way, with this game being the one test it gets.

Although if there is a 11th hour vote to remove Holy Wars, then I would raise my hand in favour. (although that's probably unlikely now that the nations are decided)


@ Dimaz/Sasooli - Can on of you please post the final list of nations, as I need to know what nations are in the game to arrange the map. Although just saying "No Marignon, R'yleh or Atlantis" or "Just R'yleh" will also be good enough if you don't want to give out the full list for whatever reason.


And Re: Atlantis and coastal start.
I think they get priority for a coastal start if one is available, but unlike water nations or LA Marignon, the game won't crash if there isn't one available. Or at least that was my understanding for the Prep2 game, where LA Marignon needed to be given a special neighbouring water province.

[WraithLord]

how much time do we have to test builds?

Oh and when creating pretenders should we be careful re. order of enabling mods?- as in CBM 1.84,Holy War: Lesser Edition and last - Expanded Nations Pack 2

[Calahan]

Originally Posted by WraithLord

how much time do we have to test builds?

WL, for testing you get 3 minutes starting....now!


Although speaking of testing, can I please ask everyone who is testing to use the attached map. It's not the final version for the game, as it has no fixed starts. But I have hopefully fixed the few remaining connection and terrain tag errors it had.

And if anyone spots an error can they please post it (or PM me). Or even if you think something might be an error, please also report it. As I'd happily have dozens of false error reports if it means also netting the one that fixes a bug. As it's rare one person can find all the bugs, as I find if you don't spot an error straight away, then you become blind to it forever after. And since map bugs can't really be fixed once the game is running, it's now during the pre-game stage that they need to be spotted.

[Colonial]

Hello guys.

I'm a noob, but have had the idea kicking around the back of my head for a while to write up a LP of a veterins game with a target audience of the more committed set of new players who might want to become veterins one day (as it stands, the only LPs available are of newbie games aimed at people thinking of buying the game). This game looks like a nice opportunity to go for it. the plan would be to compile information while the game is im progress, and only begin to publish the LP after the game has finished.

To do this I would need 1-3 of you lot to volunteer to my new-player analysis (I would write up the one who survives longest), and then send me an email every turn including: both parts of the turn file (for before and after) and a quick summery of what messages you sent. I would also need you're pretender file at the beginning of the game.

you'd get your name in lights for no effort on your part, and we as a community would get a good resource for noobs to make their game more rigorous.

If other players are ok with this, my email address is in the database.

[Amhazair]

Originally Posted by Colonial

Hello guys.

I'm a noob, but have had the idea kicking around the back of my head for a while to write up a LP of a veterins game with a target audience of the more committed set of new players who might want to become veterins one day (as it stands, the only LPs available are of newbie games aimed at people thinking of buying the game). This game looks like a nice opportunity to go for it. the plan would be to compile information while the game is im progress, and only begin to publish the LP after the game has finished.

To do this I would need 1-3 of you lot to volunteer to my new-player analysis (I would write up the one who survives longest), and then send me an email every turn including: both parts of the turn file (for before and after) and a quick summery of what messages you sent. I would also need you're pretender file at the beginning of the game.

you'd get your name in lights for no effort on your part, and we as a community would get a good resource for noobs to make their game more rigorous.

If other players are ok with this, my email address is in the database.

This certainly is a nice idea, and I would not object to it in principle. You are aware though that this is an anonymous game, and thus you should keep peoples identities secret, and not even hint anything you might know or have learned until after the game is finished?

I'm also not sure that this is the first choice of game to comment on, as it takes away the entire diplomacy and trade aspect of the game. (It also means no one would have to summarize messages, since there would be none. )

[Baalz]

Originally Posted by Colonial

Hello guys.

I'm a noob, but have had the idea kicking around the back of my head for a while to write up a LP of a veterins game with a target audience of the more committed set of new players who might want to become veterins one day (as it stands, the only LPs available are of newbie games aimed at people thinking of buying the game). This game looks like a nice opportunity to go for it. the plan would be to compile information while the game is im progress, and only begin to publish the LP after the game has finished.

To do this I would need 1-3 of you lot to volunteer to my new-player analysis (I would write up the one who survives longest), and then send me an email every turn including: both parts of the turn file (for before and after) and a quick summery of what messages you sent. I would also need you're pretender file at the beginning of the game.

you'd get your name in lights for no effort on your part, and we as a community would get a good resource for noobs to make their game more rigorous.

If other players are ok with this, my email address is in the database.

FYI I'm doing something very similar, for similar reasons profiling a game I'm in which is in its final stages (been working on it for months). Didn't want you to feel like I stole your thunder once you get dug in here. PM me if you're interested in collaborating on that, or by all means feel free to go forward on your own and I'll volunteer to participate on this one.

[Colonial]

Thanks for the brillient reply folks. I got 3 PMs right away, so, barring a last minute veto by someone I will be going ahead with it. On the other hand, 3 empires is about the upper limit I am willing to faff about with and store on my machine, so your chance to put your name in lights is over, I'm afraid.

@ Baalz

thanks for the heads up and the spoiler on things to come. this is certainly an area where there is room for more than one contribution, and I will still have the distinction of being the first vets LP from a newbies perspective, which I am happy with.

If that is an offer to be a guinea pig, as I've said, three will be plenty, I'm afraid. I don't have as much time on my hands as that crazy guy on something awful who did an entire 10 player game. thanks for offering though.

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So yeah, for the first 20-30 turns I think I will limit myself to gathering all the turn files, then have a look at writing something then. wish me luck...

[Amhazair]

Originally Posted by NooBliss

Well... Having looked at the holy war mod again, I like it even less than before. If it's not too late to sign out, I'd like to do so.

If that will cause you guys to waste time looking for another player, I can stay tho.

Since we haven't started yet, I see no reason to stop you. Little point joining a game when you prefer other settings. Confirm your decision fast though, since it will affect Calahans Capital-fixing work.

Originally Posted by Calahan

I can't say I'm too fond [...]the changes CBM 1.8+ has made (to 1.6). But I promised myself I'd try one game with CBM 1.8+ to see if I liked it[...]

Pretty much the same for me, though less empathically than in your case I think. Let's see what 1.8 brings.

Originally Posted by Calahan

Although if there is a 11th hour vote to remove Holy Wars, then I would raise my hand in favour. (although that's probably unlikely now that the nations are decided)

Yeah, probably a bad idea after nation picks. I don't really have an oppinion about the mod yet, allthough the fact that it (supposedly) pays off to site-search holy now alone gives it a plus in my books.

Originally Posted by Calahan

@ Dimaz/Sasooli - Can on of you please post the final list of nations, as I need to know what nations are in the game to arrange the map. Although just saying "No Marignon, R'yleh or Atlantis" or "Just R'yleh" will also be good enough if you don't want to give out the full list for whatever reason.

I had originally asked Sasooli to only PM players their own nation and a full list to Dimaz thinking it would allow till game start for late signups. Capital fixing obviously changes that and I intended to ask Sasooli to just post/let you know a full nation list so you could get to work on the map, but I seem to not have gotting around to it somehow.

Originally Posted by WraithLord

how much time do we have to test builds?

I'd say we start saturday at the earliest, allthough with Calahan having to wait for nation confirmation to fix the map, having to wait for the map to start the game, and then waiting for all pretenders to be sent in it might run a bit later.

[Sasooli]

I believe I've told Calahan what he needs to know.

He suggested I post the full nation list here anyway, partly so people aren't tempted to leave Pretender design until the last minute so they can look at who else is playing. I'm happy to do that if Damiz and Amhazair have no objection?