OT: I'm proud to be an American...

[Pax]

Originally posted by sparhawk:

snip happens


Sparhawk

p.s. No offence offcourse to what happened 11-8, because that was a crime against men kind.
And we all should try to prevent such things in the future to happen.

Actualy the WTC/Pentagon attacks were on September 11th, not August.

And, though the European pattern is DD/MM/YYY ... here in the states the pattern is mm/dd/yyyy ... so the attacks were on "9-11" ... as in, "dial 9-1-1 in case of emergency" etc, etc.

[Pax]

Originally posted by PvK:
Benjamin Franklin

Right, right; thanks muchly. I'm never able to remember correctly whose quote that is ... I'm always torn between attributing it to Franklin ... or Jefferson.

[Krsqk]

Well, what can I say......USA just made a new law: its legal to invade The Netherlands.. if American citizen, who have commited crimes against men kind, are held in The netherlands for trial.

[rant]I'm sorry. Where is the country of mankind? Last I knew, there was the concept of sovreignty of states, that meant each country had the right to try crimes committed in their territory. If someone wants to kill 72 million people in Lower Slobovia, then they ought to be tried according to the laws of Lower Slobovia. Not the laws of the Netherlands, not the laws of England, not the laws of the United States. There is no "world court" because there is no "world government." The day I say the pledge to the UN flag "under man" is the day I accept a world jurisdiction. Yes, there is a universal morality which condemns genocide and other despicable acts. No, there should not be a universal court to try them.[/rant]

I really shouldn't read these political threads.

[edit]I'm sorry for any offence--none intended. I greatly resent the pressure to surrender sovreignty to an international body when we have constitutionally guaranteed freedom from infringement by national powers.

[ July 16, 2002, 20:09: Message edited by: Krsqk ]

[geoschmo]

Originally posted by jimbob:
Why set up a civilian spy organization? I'd suggest some bill-Boards and a few equally high profile advertisements along the lines of "see something suspicious? It probably is! Phone the FBI/CIA at 1 800-Stop-It!" or something like this...
An organized spy agency is going to accomplish what (besides more paranoia)?

Yes! Exactly Jimbob. What we need is a nationwide "Neigborhood Watch", not some resurrected "Operation CHAOS".

Geoschmo

[Puke]

Originally posted by Krsqk:
I greatly resent the pressure to surrender sovreignty to an international body when we have constitutionally guaranteed freedom from infringement by national powers.

right on, Krsqk. Have you ever seen the "twenty-nine palms" survey?

[ July 16, 2002, 21:03: Message edited by: Puke ]

[Jmenschenfresser]

USA just made a new law: its legal to invade The Netherlands..

Yea, sorry bout that Sparhawk...nothing personal, of course. Sometimes things round here get pretty outta hand and down right stupid.

[Gryphin]

Folks,
I don't know who said it and I paraphrase poorly,
~ A generation that ignores history has no future ~
Do we have any historians on the forum that have studied about the 50's in American History that can talk about the trials surrounding "Communist"?