The Gorn Imperium

[Pax]

Originally posted by Atrocities:
Pax, I really like the fact that you stand up for what you like.

After looking over what you have provided on the Gorn, I would have to say that I would rather not have used the SFB stuff. To be honest, and I mean no offense, those designes just look way to dated. They are TOS era, and not STNG era. Ghost has a nice set of Gorn ships that kinda match what you've posted, but now that I have had time to think about it, I am glad that I did not follow cannon, even if I didn't know about it, because I wanted to make my "own" Gorn, not rehash out dated designes.

Now see, that's a reasoning I can accept (still wish you'd made something in keepign with the SFB / cartoon series examples, but ...).

Still; one thing to note is: even between TOS, Movie, and TNG+ era ... tehre is a certain design "lineage" visible in the Federation ships. TNG or TOS, Federation ships still tend to have a saucer section, a secondary hull, and engine nacelles.

While some updating overall would be appreciated ... IMO the Gorn TNG+ era ships woudl still be a pair of ovoid-ish saucers and a connecting "boom" type hull, with nacelles over-and-uncer rather than the more Federation-esque "to either side" configuration.

This debate is like arguing over TOS ships verse STNG. They are some 80+ years apart.

If you were to take things as such, then it would stand to reasone that even the Gorn would evolve and use new technology, designes, and concepts.

Ttue, but again, design lineage. While a TNG Klingon cruiser, a Movei Klingon Cruiser, and a TOS Klingon Cruiser may all look different, there are also many many points of commonality in appearance; a "doctrine of style" inherent to ships that make them Klingon.

The one thing I have to say about the Gorn is this, no one else elected to develop the race, so your stuck with my view of it until someone else comes along and does a better job.

Better job ov modeling ships? I don't expect that, your ships are -very- nice looking; my only real complaint is, they don't fit with prior-established Gorn designs' style. And I've only a problem with "prior style" when an established SF identity -- be it Gorn, Klingon, Kzin, BattleTech's Clan Smoke Jaguar, the Vorlons, or what have you -- when an established SF identity carries with it certain expectations from the fan base ... and those expectations aren't even given a nod in passing.

Still, not a dig at you personally, but ... ovoid-conect-ovoid, with over/under engine configurations and small winglets for weapons, is the basic, essential "what makes a Gorn ship" foundation a Gorn set -should- IMO be made from, -if- the set is to be called Gorn.

A suggestion: rname the race "Gorn TNG" ... at least then classic-ships fans like myself won't be unduly disappointed when we discover yet another race that falls short of our expectations / hopes / desires.

In that time, I sincerely hope that it is used and enjoyed.

Remember, this is SEIV, not SFB. Hell I might even have a few of those lead ships from FASA floating around too. Just try and accept the set as a Gorn set for now. Hell I remember when the Enterprise D was laid upon us, NO ONE, like it, but look now.

I'll accept it as a great set ... but I'm sorry, I cannot accept it as a Gorn set.

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It could've been worse; you could've tried to do the Tholians,with the same lackof acknoledgement ot prior, established style for the Tholian Holdfast ships. I'm a rabid Tholian fan ... in SFB, I'll play Tholians in preference to ANYthing else, even the "simulator races" with their funky, "simulator-only" gizmos ...

[Pax]

Originally posted by Andr&eacutes Lescano:
Check Atraikius' Version in the Old Scenario forum

Thanks ... I'll check that AND his Kzinti out.

[Atraikius]

Atrocities - didn't you use this set for a different race at one time (with a more blueish color)?

Gorns - I've played SFB and then SFC for too long to really think of them as Gorns (still like the ships though). Like the Kzinti's, the TOS Version of the Gorns doesn't have much variation between sizes, and I just don't really like the SFC look for them. I'm still working on the TOS set Andres provided the like for, but haven't been able to do much with it recently because of a severe lack of time. Hopefully will have it done sometime in the near future.

[Atrocities]

Yes. I developed the set over a year ago for the Gorn, but opted to use them for the Starwolf instead because I wanted to update that race. I love the Starwolf set, it is my favorite set. I really had to do some thinking before committing to go ahead with the Gorn set.

Atraikius's Gorn set is more to the SFB's and uses the Ghost TOS sets. It did not have a Gorn Race image so I was under the impression that it was a differant Gorn set. I did not connect the ship images to Ghosts Fleet Doc until today. I am sorry Atraikius. Me bad.

I will pull the NASY Gorn set if it is not wanted. Otherwise, think of it as the "Advanced" Gorn set from STNG era.

[ July 22, 2002, 12:13: Message edited by: Atrocities ]

[Atraikius]

Atrocities - No, don't pull it. If you would like, I could e-mail you the AI that I have for the Gorns I'm working on to use with your set.

[Atrocities]

Please do. I will wait to release the next Version. (I have repositioned a few ships to give the wings more of an ethstetic view.) Added EMP files.

If you want you can use the race image for your set as well. It would be nice to have Two Gorn sets. A TOS and a STNG Version. What do you think? You can use either one of these if you want to:



[ July 24, 2002, 06:13: Message edited by: Atrocities ]

[Fyron]

Atrocities, do not pull the set. It is excellent. It doesn't matter if it matches pseudo-canon sources or not.

[ July 24, 2002, 07:23: Message edited by: Imperator Fyron ]