Anomaly reports

Suhiir · #1 November 24th, 2011, 08:24 PM

Just to complicate your life you when doing your comparisons keep in mind :
Bell 204 = UH-1B
Bell 205 = UH-1H
Bell 212 = UH-1N
Bell 214 = Variant on the Bell 205 with larger engine
Bell 412 = Bell 212 with 4-blade (i.e. Canadian Bell CH-146 Griffon)
S-61 = SH-3 Sea King

Richard_H · #2 November 25th, 2011, 11:12 AM

@ Suhiir - yeah thanks, complications are always fun

Class 203 – Attack Helicopter

81 helicopters in this class have ATGW or AAM as primary armament, but have RoF 9. It may be a design thing, so I shan’t bother listing them. If it isn’t a design thing, let me know & I’ll do the list.

Aerospatiale AS.550 Fennec – Denmark 122 has Size 3, standard for the Ecureuil series is 2.

Aerospatiale SA.365 Panther – Saudi 548 has a ‘Steel HR’ value of 1.
SA.565 – ‘Armour’ figures differ: Israel 271 has 8/2, China 483 has 12/6, Gulf 115 has 9/2, Angola 153 has 8/0.

Aerospatiale AS.532 Cougar – Switzerland 222 has Speed 80, standard is 93 or 108. It also has ‘Steel HF’ 10, standard is 12.

Sud Aviation Alouette III – Yugoslavia 126 has Stabiliser 3, India 122 has 4, Switzerland 214 has 0, others have 5.
Angola 151 has ‘Steel HF’ 5, all others have 4.

Sud-Est Alouette II – Switzerland 982 has RoF 6, standard for TOW-armed helicopters is 4 or 9.
Switzerland 983 has RoF 5, standard for mg-armed helos is 9.

Eurocopter EC 635 – Iraq 963 has RoF 4, primary armament is MG.

Agusta A.109 – Belgium 207 has Size 3, all others have 2.

Agusta A.129 Mangusta – Italy 504 & 506 have Size 1, all others have 2.

Kamov Ka-52 – Russia 374, 397 & 633 have Survivability 0. Struck me as odd for one of the most heavily-armoured helicopters in the game. However, I also note that very few Russian helicopters either in this class or in Class 221 have a Survivability rating, although they are given to exported versions.

Mil Mi-4 – NVA 222 has Stabiliser 2, E.Germany 115 has 5, standard for this class is 4.

Mil Mi-8 – E.Germany 120 has ‘Steel HS’ 0, standard for the TB version is 1.

Mil Mi-2 – E.Germany 117 has Survivability 3, standard is 4. It also has Stabiliser 5, standard is 4.

Mil Mi-24 – Slovakia 205 has ‘Steel HS’ 3, standard is 2.

Mil Mi-35 – India 123 & 124, Green 574 and Indonesia 612 have Survivability 4, all others have 5.
Cyprus 140 & 141 and Indonesia 612 have ‘Steel HS’ 2, all others have 3.

Westland Gazelle – Gulf 120 is the other helicopter (see previous class) with a Swim Speed. Unlike the Mi-14, the Gazelle does not have a boat-shaped hull, nor have I ever seen a model with floats.
Syria 138, Libya 131, Chad 235 & Kenya 151 have ‘Steel HS’ 1, all others have 0.

Bell UH-1 Huey – Iran 285, Turkey 476 & N.Yemen 123 have Survivability 3, standard is 4.
Italy 499 has Stabiliser 3, El Salvador 126 has 4, standard for gunship versions is 5.
Iran 285, S.Korea 115, Spain 511 & 512 and N.Yemen 123 have ‘Steel HF’ 5, standard is 6.

Bell AH-1 Hueycobra – USMC 118 has Size 3, all other early models have 2.
Israel 273, NVA 225 & Spain 516 have Speed 74, standard is 92 or 111.
Pakistan 430 & 431 and Spain 515 & 516 have Survivability 2, S.Korea 120 has 4, standard is 3.
Taiwan 120 & 121 have Armour 8/2/1/1/1/1/0. As with the previous class, I didn’t think this could be done.

AH-1W – USMC 500 has ‘Steel HS’ 3, all others have 2.
Taiwan 120 & 121 and Turkey 479-481 have ‘Steel HF’ 8, others have 10.

Boeing-Vertol CH-47 Chinook – USA 905 has Armour 12/2/1/12/2/1/1. Comments as for AH-1.

Hughes 500/OH-6 – Japan 361 & 365 and Finland 524-526 have Size 1, all others have 2.
S.Korea 117 & Taiwan 117 have Speed 70, all others have at least 80.
Spain 583 & El Salvador 117 have FC & Rangefinder 0/0, all others have 5/3 They also have ‘Steel HS’ 0, all others have 1.
Japan 361 and Finland 524-526 have ‘Steel HF & HS’ 5/0, standard is 6/1.

McDonnell-Hughes AH-64 – Netherlands 523-526 have Survivability 2, all others have 3.

Sikorsky H-34 – France 481, 483 & 484 have Size 3, standard is 4.

Sikorsky UH-60/S-70 – Gulf 116 has Stabiliser 3, standard is 4.
Gulf 116 and Brazil 127 & 902 have Armour 10/2/2/2/2/2/0. Comments as for AH-1.
Chile 523 has a ‘Steel TS’ value of 2.

Richard H

Richard_H · #3 November 25th, 2011, 11:14 AM

Helicopters are a headache, I'll come back to the other classes.

In the meantime, some nice easy Guards classes!

Class 89 – Guards Infantry

Iraq 432 & 433 have 20 Weapon 4 (Hand Grenade) rounds, Iraq 434 has 16, all for 9 Crew.
Bosnia-H 94 have 6 Weapon 3 (Hand Grenade) rounds for 7 Crew.
Saudi 483 & 484 have 16 Weapon 3 (Hand Grenade) rounds for 6 Crew.

Class 90 – Guards Squad

Libya 515-518 have 20 Weapon 3 (Hand Grenade) rounds for 9 Crew.
Switzerland 518, 930 & 931 have 6 Weapon 3 (Hand Grenade) rounds for 4 Crew.
Nigeria 440 and Uganda 440 have 16 Weapon 4 (Hand Grenade) rounds for 9 Crew.

Class 91 – Light Guards

Poland 874-876 & 886 have 20 Weapon 3 (Hand Grenade) rounds for 6 Crew.

Richard H

Suhiir · #4 November 25th, 2011, 06:47 PM

Personally I found helos and aircraft (especially aircraft) to be the biggest pain in the rear when doing my OOB variant.
Probably one reason I'm a tad "excitable" concerning how WinSPMBT handles aircraft ... all that work for so little in-game utility

And it's 92 times worse for Andy & Don.

Richard_H · #5 November 26th, 2011, 11:39 AM

Once I've finished this little exercise, downloading your mod is top of my hit list!

But for now - I'm still off helicopters, so here's a little flak.

Class 8 – Flak

Lots of anomalies here (mostly size-wise), especially if one follows the ‘Mobhack Guide’ to the letter. 80% of units up to 25mm are Size 1, so I’ve indicated those that aren’t. However, there are a lot (maybe 100+) of units in the 30-40mm bracket that are also Size 1, particularly those involving the 40mm Bofors. I’ve indicated them, if only because according to the Guide they should be Size 2, but changing them all would drive Don nuts!

12.7mm AAMG – Poland 622 & 623, NVA 289, Yugoslavia 459, Switzerland 752 & 753, Bosnia-H 459 and Croatia 459 are Size 0, all others (including other classes) are 1.
PLO 179 has Crew 3, all others have 4.
Poland 622 & 623 have Speed 3, all others have 2.
Poland 622 & 623, USA 522, Iraq 851, N.Korea 636, Yugoslavia 459, Austria 46, Cambodia 81, Croatia 459 and Lebanon 600 have Load Cost 1. Standard, at least in other classes with AAMG, is 0.
Paraguay 260 & 261 have 10 Weapon 3 (Hand Grenade) rounds and 4 Crew.

12.7mm Quad M55 – S.Korea 205, Cyprus 103, Brazil 314 and Paraguay 259 have Speed 0, all others have 1.
Denmark 66 has Load Cost 1, Pakistan 376, Portugal 52 and Paraguay 259 have 3, all others have 2.
Malaysia 98 has 4 Weapon 3 (Hand Grenade) rounds for 6 Crew.
Italy 169 & 171 have Size 2 (standard is 1) and RoF 8 (standard is 9). Italy 171 also has Speed 0, standard is 1, even with radar.

14.5mm ZPU-1 – Syria 262, PLO 180 and Afghanistan 271 have Crew 3, all others have 4.
Iraq 296 has Speed 2, all others have 1.
Albania 350 and Zimbabwe 89 have Load Cost 0, all others have 2.
Afghanistan 271 has 3 Weapon 3 (Hand Grenade) rounds.

14.5mm ZPU-2 – Yugoslavia 461 & 462 have Size 2, all others have 1.
PLO 181, NVA 293, Afghanistan 272, E.Germany 86, Czech 86, Hungary 86, Romania 86 and Bulgaria 304 have Crew 3, all others have 4.
Pakistan 378 has Load Cost 3, Poland 86, Hungary 86, Red 86 and Viet Cong 86 have 1, all others have 2.
Afghanistan 272, E.Germany 86, Czech 86 and Hungary 86 have 3 Weapon 3 (Hand Grenade) rounds.

14.5mm ZPU-4 – Yugoslavia 463-465, Bosnia 465 and Croatia 465 have Size 2, all others have 1.
Syria 264, Russia 417, China 442 & 444, Iraq 298, N.Korea 84 and Lebanon 602 have Crew 6, all others have 4.
Poland 87, Syria 264, Viet Cong 87 and Nicaragua 317 have Load Cost 2, all others have 3
Russia 417, China 442 & 444, Iraq 298, N.Korea 84 and Lebanon 602 have 6 Weapon 3 (Hand Grenade) rounds.

20mm Hispano/Oerlikon – all 27 of these are Size 2, which is the standard size of a 37-40mm. From the photos, they don’t have a significantly larger footprint than, for example, the Vulcan, which is generally Size 1 even with radar fire control. The units concerned are :- Israel 166, Belgium 67, Romania 84, Argentina 312, Austria 47 & 48, Switzerland 82, 84 & 777-789, Kenya 334, Bulgaria 301 and Uruguay 151.
Israel 166, Belgium 67, Kenya 334 and Bulgaria 301 have Crew 7 and Load Cost 3, standard is 3/1.
Romania 84 has Crew 6, standard is 3.
Israel 166 has 4 Weapon 3 (Hand Grenade) rounds.

20mm M55 – Paraguay 262 has Size 2, Crew 3 and Load Cost 1, all others have 1/6/2.

20mm M55 x 3 – Yugoslavia 470 & 471, Switzerland 83, Bosnia 471, Croatia 471 and Indonesia 318 have Size 2, others have 1.
Green 318 & El Salvador 318 have Crew 7, Cyprus 104 has 6, standard is 5. They all also have Load Cost 3, standard is 2.
Cyprus 104 has Speed 0, standard is 1.

Switzerland 776 is in name a 34mm unit, but its primary weapon is quad 20mm (Weapon 71). Weapon 79 is 34mm.

20mm M75 – Yugoslavia 467 & 468, Bosnia 468 & Croatia 468 have Size 2, standard size for 20mm AA is 1.
Peru 317 has Crew 6, others have 3.

20mm Rh202 – Greece 174 & Indonesia 317 have Crew 7 and Load Cost 3, all others have 3/1.

20mm Vulcan – Belgium 68 is Size 2, all others are 1.
Jordan 322 & 323 have Crew 7, Uruguay 153 & 154 have 3, all others have 4.
Egypt 203, USA 234, Gulf 292 & 293, Belgium 68, Thailand 161 and Saudi 292 have Speed 1, standard for the radar-equipped version is 0.
Egypt 203 has 3 Weapon 2 (SKS Carbine) rounds.

23mm ZU-23 – Poland 79, 88, 95 & 619, NVA 295, Romania 88 & 106, Yugoslavia 473 & 474, Algeria 161, Bosnia 474, Croatia 474, Chad 167, Finland 92 & 93, Kenya 328, Zimbabwe 92, Ukraine 418 and Mozambique 29 have Size 2, all others have 1.
Poland 79, 95 & 619, Finland 92 & 93, Viet Cong 88 and Nicaragua 318 have Crew 6, all others have 4.
Poland 79, 95 & 619, Jordan 321, Russia 418, 794, 797, 799, 814 & 816, Yugoslavia 473 & 474, Bosnia 474, Croatia 474 and Lebanon 603 have Load Cost 3, all others have 4.

25mm Mle.39 – Austria 49 has Crew 3, Romania 85 has 6. As the older AA guns tended to have larger crews than more modern types, I would incline towards the Romanian figure, but have no supporting evidence.

30mm M1992 - N.Korea 86 has Size 3, standard is 2.

30mm Oerlikon – Taiwan 207, S.Korea 207, Greece 178, Italy 172, Libya 350, Argentina 314 and Sudan 561 are Size 1, standard is 2.
Greece 178 has Crew 4, Argentina 314 has 3, Finland 95 has 5.
Italy 172 and Sudan 561 have Crew 4, standard for a twin installation is 6.
Argentina 314 has Load Cost 1, standard is 3.

35mm Type 90 – China 449 is Size 3, standard for 35mm is 2.

35mm Oerlikon – Turkey 161-163, Spain 156 & 157, Romania 90 & 91, Cyprus 105 and Ecuador 317 have Crew 7, all others have 6.
Turkey 161 & 162, Spain 156 and Romania 90 have Load Cost 4, all others have 3.
Size 1 units:- Japan 110 & 111, UK 426, Canada 207 & 208, Greece 177 & 179, Turkey 161-163, Spain 156 & 157, Romania 90 & 91, Argentina 317, Cyprus 105, Malaysia 102 & 103, Ecuador 317.

37mm M1939 – Syria 261 and Czech 80 have Crew 6, standard is 8.
Poland 80, Syria 261, Russia 391, E.Germany 89, Czech 80, Hungary 80, Cuba 345 and Algeria 162 & 163 have Load Cost 3, Pakistan 379 has 1, standard is 4.

Size 1 37mm AA:- Syria 261, Iran 257, Pakistan 379, E.Germany 89, Cuba 345, Nicaragua 315, Bulgaria 302 & 303.

40mm Bofors – Belgium 51 has Crew 8, Italy 168 & 170 have 4, Netherlands 160 has 3, Norway 194, Finland 100 & 101 have 6, standard is 7.
USMC 49 & 941 have Speed 1, all others have 0.
Yugoslavia 476-478, Bosnia 477 & Croatia 477 have Load Cost 4, Italy 170 has 5, standard is 3, even for a radar-equipped mounting.
Italy 168, 170 & 173 have RoF 8, all others have 9.
Israel 167 & 168 have 4 Weapon 3 (Hand Grenade) rounds for 7 Crew.
Size 1 units:- Egypt 202, Israel 167 & 168, UK 424 & 425, Jordan 319 & 320, Iran 255, Australia 214 & 215, Gulf 290, Iraq 295, India 510-512, S.Korea 206, Taiwan 206, Mujahadeen 270, Pakistan 370 & 371, Afghanistan 270, Canada 205 & 206, Greece 176, Turkey 159 & 160, Spain 154 & 155, Denmark 64 & 65, Libya 345, Green 314 & 315, Argentina 315 & 316, Cyprus 102, Brazil 315 & 317, Cuba 340, S.Africa 124, Angola 330, Chile 315, Nigeria 330, Saudi 290, Sudan 555, Kenya 330-332, Indonesia 315 & 316, Malaysia 100 & 101, S.Yemen 290, N.Yemen 290, Ecuador 315, El Salvador 315, Nicaragua 319, Peru 315, Somalia 336, Tanzania 330, Uganda 330, Uruguay 150, Paraguay 265.

57mm M1950 – Russia 419 & 420, Pakistan 380 & 381, Cuba 346-348, Algeria 164 and Albania 353 & 354 have Crew 8, all others have 7.
Russia 419 & 420 and Yugoslavia 479-481 have Load Cost 4, all others have 3.
Size 2 units (Standard in the Guide is Size 3):- Egypt 207 & 208, Syria 266 & 267, PLO 184, Iran 258 & 259, Russia 420, Iraq 300, Mujahadeen 275, Pakistan 380 & 381, Afghanistan 275, Turkey 157, E.Germany 370 & 371, Libya 349, Cuba 346-348, Algeria 164, Albania 353 & 354, Angola 335 & 336, Ethiopia 349, Viet Cong 89, N.Yemen 294, Eritrea 335, Ukraine 419 & 420, Bulgaria 308, Somalia 335.

75mm – Switzerland 758 has Size 1, standard is 3.

Richard H

Marcello · #6 November 26th, 2011, 02:55 PM

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30mm M1992 - N.Korea 86 has Size 3, standard is 2

It is believed to be used from prepared emplacements, as it requires an external power supply. Likely associated to radar targeting and similar gear. So perhaps it might be justifiable.