OT: Chess

krpeters · #1 December 2nd, 2011, 09:10 AM

I used to play chess when I was younger, then got fed up with the lack of random starts. Memorizing series of opening moves is critical to playing the game, and a computer can do that better than people can.

Chess AIs would get brutalized by humans in a random starting position game.

JonBrave · #2 December 2nd, 2011, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by krpeters

I used to play chess when I was younger, then got fed up with the lack of random starts. Memorizing series of opening moves is critical to playing the game, and a computer can do that better than people can.

Chess AIs would get brutalized by humans in a random starting position game.

Yes, "memorizing" openings is not much of an issue for computers.

I believe there always have been "variants", wherein the positions of the pieces in the first rank are randomized. I doubt an computer chess would "adapt" to that, but on the grand scales of things, unless you're really good, I would guess they wouldn't get "brutalized", they'd do well enough after the first few moves.

GFSnl · #3 December 2nd, 2011, 04:18 PM

I don't think a human is able to consistently outplay a computer anymore. Even with randomized openings.

Computers are notably weaker in closed positions. But even great chess players with an affinity for closed positions, like Kramnik, got their *** handed to them a couple of years ago.

Computers continue to double processing power every 2 years or so.
And with endgame tables now almost up to 8 pieces I'd say computers have soundly beaten the carbon based life forms on this planet

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WraithLord · #4 December 2nd, 2011, 04:23 PM

Yes, but are the AI having fun?

Seriously, chess is a game and for normal human beings (& animals) games are a way to have fun while improving some skills. For AI, it's all just number crunching.

GFSnl · #5 December 2nd, 2011, 04:28 PM

Your right of course.

Wish we had such A.I. available to sup in MP or to play against in SP in Dom 3

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Knai · #6 December 5th, 2011, 04:04 AM

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Originally Posted by WraithLord

Yes, but are the AI having fun?

Seriously, chess is a game and for normal human beings (& animals) games are a way to have fun while improving some skills. For AI, it's all just number crunching.

Given that the AI isn't actually sentient, it can't have fun. That's like asking if your calculator has fun when you punch numbers in it, it's a tool, not a being. Large scale automated production facilities don't have fun either, it still makes them better at what they do than assembly line workers.

GFSnl · #7 December 5th, 2011, 05:24 AM

Well, me and my calculator get all snuggly when I've been pushing her buttons all day

krpeters · #8 December 4th, 2011, 08:24 PM

...on the grand scales of things, unless you're really good, I would guess they wouldn't get "brutalized", they'd do well enough after the first few moves.[/quote]

I had in mind against expert humans. You're right that against ordinary players they'd do well enough, although I do think they would have trouble initially.