Polish OOB 5.5

[Pibwl]

Originally Posted by Pibwl

There should be added instead M2 Halftrack - a limited number used as APC by internal security forces until end of 1950s (some 1958) (along with SU-57 and M17 SP-guns with removed armament). Armament might be DT AAMG.

It should be rather named just Halftrack, with carry capacity 111 or so (the Soviets received M2, M5 and M9).

Michal

[Pibwl]

Originally Posted by Pibwl

283 Formoza Navy SF - wz.2003 LMG wasn't commissioned - it was to be a Polish equivalent of Minimi. In fact, redundant unit because of 282. Wz.2003 LMG might be replaced in weapons file with Minimi Para, used by special forces, but I don't know if it makes sense, considering its narrow usage. In that case, in other units wz.2003 LMG should be replaced with 16 UKM-2000 LMG

I didn't notice there was already #158 Minimi in weapons - it should replace wz.2003 in this unit (possibly wz.2003 would be replaced with Negev in weapons file, but the future will show).

562 SA-4 Ganef - was to be withdrawn in 6/111 (now 12/120) [Raport 05/2011]. Proper name is 2K11 Krug

Modernized Krug was introduced around 2001 (now 1/105) [source: Raport 10/2000]

564, 569 SA-3 Neva SC - should be S-125 Newa-SC (Polish modernization)

564, 569 SA-3 Neva SC - first serial systems were delivered in 1999 (now 1/92) [source: Raport 7/1999]. Unit 564 should be IMO removed - Newa SC had modified missiles and radar from the beginning.

However, weapon #134 SA3 Neva SC SAM needs altering. It should be improved comparing with missile SA-3 (#136), while it is made worse in the game (smaller warhead, penetration 12 vs 60, longer min range, shorter range). In fact, missiles remained the same, but should have improved accuracy due to replacing lamp computers with modern units in control stations (less prone to jamming).

563 SA-6 Gainful - proper name 2K12 Kub. Modernized Kub was introduced in mid-1999 (now: 1/105) [Raport 10/1999]

Michal

[dmnt]

Polish Rosomak (plain, M1) seems to have incorrect armour values. Rosomak, AFAIK, is the IFV version and not the APC version with the exception of M3 and ATGM versions. Incidentally, Finnish AMV Patria APC has the IFV configuration armor values and I believe they should be the other way around. Also Rosomak is too heavy to swim and probably has less speed than current one (36:2).

Rosomak, default (bump up for M1M which got additional steel-composite armor as well as the RPG nets)
steel: 12-4-3-5-4-4-2
heat: 15-10-5-15-10-10-2


AMV Patria APC:
steel: 5-4-3-5-4-3-2
heat: 0's

[dmnt]

Originally Posted by dmnt

Polish Rosomak (plain, M1) seems to have incorrect armour values. Rosomak, AFAIK, is the IFV version and not the APC version with the exception of M3 and ATGM versions. Incidentally, Finnish AMV Patria APC has the IFV configuration armor values and I believe they should be the other way around. Also Rosomak is too heavy to swim and probably has less speed than current one (36:2).

I have to backpedal on this an admit that I had wrong information.
Finnish AMV has 24.5 (metric) tn weight, Rosomaks up to 22.8 tn. Finnish variant this has better armor around it.

[DRG]

If I'd ignored your post the first time around I wouldn't have to change everything back now....... Consider that lesson now learned