Polish OOB 5.5

[DRG]

Originally Posted by Pibwl

Guns


078 57mm AT-Gun (1965-96) - could be removed in this period at all IMO - from 1955 being replaced with 85 mm gun. Possibly stored in depots after 1965, but sure not longer, than end of 1970s due to limited capabilities. Anyway, better pic is 29439 (BTW, mine).

079 ZUR-23-2S JOD (Flak) - introduced in 1988 according to Polish Military Equipment book and nTW 9/2010 (now 1/95). Name is written "Jod" - this isn't abbreviation. Correct picture is 29273.

I think this would be a good time to clear a couple of issues up.

I have highlighted them above.

First nTW 9/2010

I've seen this in a number of posts it does not seem to tie into anything else in your posts so I have been ignoring it as I have NO IDEA what it's stands for

One of these perhaps ???

NTW Navy Theater Wide (BMDO)
NTW Not to Worry
NTW National Tourism Week
NTW Norwegian Travel Workshop
NTW National Training Wage
NTW Napoleonic Total War (game)
NTW No Time Wasters
NTW Not of This World (usually seen as NOTW)
NTW National Public Safety Telecommunicators Week
NTW Network The World
NTW Non Territorial Working
NTW Non-Traditional Warfare
NTW Not This Way
NTW Network Transparent Widget(s)
NTW New Technology (NT) Workstation (Microsoft)
NTW Northumberland, Tyne and Wear (UK)

So what does "nTW" really mean ?


As for the photos. You can continue to suggest photos BUT be aware that over 10% of the photos in winSPMBT have already been replaced with new ones and the percent could go as high as 15% or 20% when the patch is finally released depending on when I finally "hit the wall" and stop.

I can now very easily find what photos are not being used and when I come across one,and I can see no possible use for it, I use that number for something new which is what has already happened to both of those photos you referred to. I have used some of your other suggested photo changes but now I'm starting to find some of the new ones that I have replaced with something different.

Don

[Pibwl]

Originally Posted by Pibwl

095 ZUR-23-KG - precise name is ZUR-23-2KG, it could be named "ZUR23-2KG Jodek". Year 2002 is OK. Crew should have #28 wz.96 Beryl (M1930 rifles are probably just a mistake). At that time, new APDS ammo was developed in Poland, with increased penetration (may be as Sabot)

There should be created new unit with the same name, available from some 2006, with better FC, laser RF and night vision (with CP-1 computer sight/FCS; ordinary ZUR-23-2KG had CKE-2 colimator sight) [nTW 3/2006]

The new APDS ammunition offers higher penetration (with no specific data given) and bigger efficient range of 3000m vs 2000m [source: nTW 11/2007]. If you decide to add it, it could be matched with the modified ZUR-23-2KG with CP-1 sight from 2007 (it has no specific name, but it could be named ZUR-23-2KG CP-1) (a serial production of the ammo started probably in 2008, but trial batches were made before).

Going farther:
093 SGM MMG [2] - crew would rather have SMG (eg. 006), than bolt rifles.

094 PKMS MMG [2] - correct pic is 45377 or 29441 (now it's SGM)

096 12.7mm WKM HMG - it should be named just NSW HMG (Polish version of NSV). Better pic is common 11096.

It's weapon should be changed - now it is #037 12.7mm WKM HMG, but "wkm" is just a Polish generic abbreviation for "big calibre MG". Probably it's supposed to be WKM-B - recent development of NSW for 0.5 Browning ammo, used from some 2001 (might be named WKMB due to limit). Earlier HMGs should be just NSW (or NSV).
There is a possible free slot to convert to NSV HMG - #176 12.7mm NSV MG - helicopter MG, which in fact shouldn't be used by Polish helicopters (I'll write about it later).

097 40mm GA AGL - automatic GL are used in Poland only from late 2007 (in service around 11/2007) (now: 1/103) and they are US Mk.19, not Polish GA (still in development, with unclear future). Correct picture is 12095. Crew should have #28 wz.96 Beryl, not AKM rifles. It would need change in formations.

Weapon 049 should be changed to Mk.19 - this is the first and, as for now, only AGL in Polish service.

Michal

[Pibwl]

AFVs to trucks

051 BTR-40 (Gun APC) - should be used until some 1965 (now: 12/60) (especially, that BRDM-1 should be available from 1963 and it would make a gap)

052 BRDM-1 (Gun APC) - 12.7 mm MG wasn't used in Poland on BRDM-1 (according to Zaloga, only some Soviet BRDMs were armed this way). It's never seen on photos of Polish vehicles. The only armament should be SGMT (correctly named SGMB - for all countries).
Better name is just BRDM (there were names BRDM and BRDM-2), but BRDM-1 could be. Used from 1963 (now: 1/61) [Poligon 3/2010]

053 BRDM-2 (Gun APC) - used from 1966 until now - 1/115 at least (now: 1/67-12/105) [Poligon 3/2010].
Soviet BRDM-2s in that period (#698, 699) have vision 15 (this one 20). In fact, it has no night gun sights at all [confirmed in Raport 9/2010].

054 OT-62 - proper name in Polish service is TOPAS. Speed in fact is 60 km/h (now 18), it could carry 16 men (112).
In fact, it carried no fixed weapons, only troop section's PK LMG, but this is relatively minor issue (now: SGMT AAMG).

They were used only by the 7th Naval Landing Division, not as ordinary APC, so maybe it should be class Heavy Amphib, like units #417 and #703. Used from 1963 (now 1/64) [Poligon 5/2010] until some 1991 (now 12/96 - definitely not that long). Better pic is 29091 (11057 is probably BTR-50, mirrored in addition)

All formations using APC (track) should start with BWP-1 (BMP-1) only (1/73), and earlier ones should be deleted. There were no tracked APC in Poland before BWP, apart from landing units, mentioned above. There could be created separate naval infantry formations in 1963-1991, with Heavy amphibs.

055 SKOT-2A - used as APC only until some 1991 (now: 12/104 - definitely not that long).

056 BTR-152- in bigger number used only from 1955 (now: 1/52) (there were only 6 in 12/54) [Poligon 3/2010]. Weapon used was actually #53 SGMT AAMG.

All formations using APC (wheel) should be available in 1955-1991 only.

057 BTR-50PK - Poland never used BTR-50s - to be removed.

058 OT-65 FUG (Gun APC) - proper name in Poland was just FUG or FUG D422 (OT-65 was Czechoslovak designation). Used from 1963 until some 1985 only (now: 1/66-12/95) [Poligon 3/2010]. It carried no fixed armament - only could carry crew's LMG. A second one should be added as a Scout vehicle? (like BRDMs)

059 BTR-152K - "hardtop" variant, used in Poland in small number, from late 50s, say 1959 (now 1/55 - it was produced in the USSR from 1957 only). Radio code should be 1. Armament should be SGMT or PKT AAMG.

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062 BTR-50P - Poland never used BTR-50s. To be removed.

063 MT-LB (prime mover) - Poland definitely never used MT-LB as a prime mover - only in several special variants. To be removed IMO or changed to something else.

Apart from numerous prototypes, only 5 types of vehicles on MT-LB base were used in Poland in any significant numbers:
- WPT Mors (ARRV, which doesn't seem relevant to the game),
- TRI Hors (engineers' recce vehicle, which I'll describe later)
- TI Durian (engineers' carrier, which I'll describe later)
- basic vehicle for drivers' training
- different command and control vehicles

064 BWP-1 - should carry only 4 missiles.

065 BWP-1 - it should have the same 9M14 missiles as above, not semi-automatic 9M14P. There weren't modified in any way, especially in 1999 (the missiles would be obsolete anyway at that time). With correct missiles, the only difference from the unit above is radio and camouflage (introduced around 1990).

066 Heavy Truck - much better picture is 29169 (KrAZ truck) (Poland didn't use 2-axle heavy truck like 11067)

067 ZIS - better - more universal name seems ZiS/ZiL 6x6 or ZiS/ZiL truck (covering models 151, 157, 133). ZiS 151 production started only in 1948 (1/46). If it's ZiL, ending date could be late 80s. (12/59)

Regards
Michal