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Old February 17th, 2012, 05:09 PM
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Default Re: French OOB

I found a copy of a IISS book on world military equipment and there were 149 105mm artillery piece in the French army in 1992.

Pity I don't have copies of every year but I don't so sometime between 1992 and maybe 2010 they went OOS with the French Army.


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I'd say we can mark that as progress from where this "project" started from. I'd almost...I would bet that most of those 105mm tubes belonged to the Legionaries as they would have need of an air portable artillery tube to support their mission as a rapid deployment unit.

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I'm sorry for the late reply, but university kept me busy.

I tried to look for solid information in english but I didn't manage to find much except for this OOB from 2003. France however had a military reform in 2008 so the OOB may not be fully up to date.

The 120mm mortars were and in some case still are handled by battalion level recon and support companies. These are already represented in the game by the CEA RI and CEA companies which have the mortars. French army website says that 120mm mortars are currently used by artillery regiments and marine (RIMA) forces. They might have been once upon a time have been used by Legionaries as company support weapons but nothing I managed to find implies they still are. The french army's website says that contemporary Legion support platoons have 81mm mortars and Milan ATGMs.

I haven't found anything that would imply that contemporary Legion companies would have radicaly different organization or armament compared to regular French infantry units. Their battalion/regiment level organization is peculiar but the bulk of legion infantry forces (2nd regiment, 5 infantry companies) is basicaly light mechanized infantry with VABs or VBCIs.

Outside of the 2nd regiment the FFL has the 3rd regiment with 2 companies. It's garrisoned in the French Guyana. The french army website isn't very wordy on their exact armament, except that their support units also have the 81mm mortars. There's also a small detachment in Mayotte, near the Comoroos. For WINSPMBT these two formations are military curiosities, unless someone fancies modeling a France vs Brazil war or anti-poaching actions the 3rd regiment has been involved in.

and yes, the french brigade/regiment level organization is a horrible headache.

To put it shortly, the majority of Legion infantry units follows the organization of other light mech units with VABs or VBCIs, which is in turn constrained by the carry capacity of these vechiles. For VAB it's 10, for VBCI it's 9. This in turn follows nicely the purported standard squad organization of the French army 8 men, split into two fireteams. Another one revolves around the ABL AT4's, another one has the Minimi and LGI. (Former?) forum user Urban has detailed the organization in fine detail.

And about the support platoon Milans, once again this info is based on what it says on the official french army website.

According to the 2003 OOB the 12.7 HMGs are near ubiquitous and the 7.62 MGs much rarer.

Apilas was only as being used by marine units by the french army site. The current OOB has some heavy infantry units with Apilas instead of ABL AT4 mixed in infantry and mech infantry formations. I think this is a fine solution, especially if you could add a heavy infantry/mech infantry unit which has the ABL AT4 instead of Apilas.

At least the Mech Legion units should follow a similar line IMO, and the foot/truck legionaires should at least have an option to pick weapons in line with the current French organization. This is so that just in case that the French actually use Apilas more than they say and that if the smaller Legion units use different weapons than usual they can still be represented while offering the option to pick the (IMO) more likely choice.

Still no idea on the flamethrowers.
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Fallout Re: French OOB

A ton of information of French use of flamethrowers during WWI. Nothing after that though. It seems the USA/USMC were the biggest users of it after WWI as a "MANPAC" system. Most other countries shifted to the Flame Tank as it had a greater range and dare I state the obvious, better protection. Vietnam both marked a resurgence of the "MANPAC" and it's end, as the M9A1-7 was replaced by the M202A1 Flame Grenade Launcher during the end of that war.

I found a couple of refs of a French ENERGA AT rifle grenade. However most sources in regards to the initial ENERGA 75mm grenade point to use only by Belgium, U.S., UK, South Africa also Rhodesia was mentioned many times as well. The answer will have to come from a reliable Pub. or French source. If I get an answer to another inquiry from the French MOD, I 'll push the envelope further on this question. The improved version below is the one I saw mentioned for French use a couple of times. The original ENERGA grenade was made between ~1950 - 1953. There were several users of the "Super" as well.
http://articles.janes.com/articles/J...e-Belgium.html

This ref. (From 1991.) if someone has it or an older or newer version would mercifully end our agony on this, but what's a little pain anyway!?! After all when I see my Dentist, she just drills away when required, I hate needles! Have a long day tomorrow, have a great week!

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