Jets & Planes but no UAV's here.

[FASTBOAT TOUGH]

As I just got home and we have an early start in the morning for wedding, I'll be brief.

1. It is now known that the DDR wasn't assigned a ground support role until the 1980's. When asked if 1980 was viable it generated no response next door and considering the back and forth, trust me, they would've indicated if there was a problem there. This then by definition means the LSK/LV only ground attack capable aircraft were the MiG-23BN and Su-22M-4. I have an LSK/LV OOB that has been verified as good dating to the early mid eighties. See below...
http://www.topedge.com/panels/aircra.../kraft/nva.htm

2. What's it wash on this info? Basically I see every jet type going back to the MiG-15 being deleted with the above two being the exception for the basically last ten years the DDR was around.

3. Based on the weapons available to both the MiG-23BN and Su-22M-4 we most certainly and increase the ground attack configurations of both types to at least five or six different UNIT types each.

4. The MiG-21M/UM RECON question (Again refer to the above ref.) I'll leave to Don, however based on the game turn cycle etc. I feel these wouldn't be added since they were photo recon birds and I believe that topic was addressed once before anyway.

5. Clearly now it should be apparent to everyone (Nationalistic feelings aside.) that if every country in the Warsaw Pact was submitted to the same treatment the DDR is now getting most would see the same things happen to their Air Forces of the Soviet era to include some NATO countries as well during that time period. Simply the Soviets ran the show to what equipment it got and how it would be used.

All of the above has been discussed next door, I've already posted the sight a couple of times so have at it if you want. I will tie all this up in a neat bundle hopefully early next week and yes of course there are all those "pesky" refs. But this weekend is about old shipmates, families, CINCLANTHOME and certainly not work. For those celebrating it have a great and SAFE Labor Day weekend and don't burn the steaks!! To everyone else HAVE A GREAT WEEKEND!!

Regards,
Pat
P.S. I guess I missed on the brief part again!?!

[DRG]

Originally Posted by FASTBOAT TOUGH

As I just got home and we have an early start in the morning for wedding, I'll be brief.

1. It is now known that the DDR wasn't assigned a ground support role until the 1980's. When asked if 1980 was viable it generated no response next door and considering the back and forth, trust me, they would've indicated if there was a problem there. This then by definition means the LSK/LV only ground attack capable aircraft were the MiG-23BN and Su-22M-4. I have an LSK/LV OOB that has been verified as good dating to the early mid eighties. See below...
http://www.topedge.com/panels/aircra.../kraft/nva.htm

2. What's it wash on this info? Basically I see every jet type going back to the MiG-15 being deleted with the above two being the exception for the basically last ten years the DDR was around.

OK, I'm going to save Alice from a L O N G trip down the rabbit hole digging up info on all the warsaw pact nations and their ground attack aircraft

NO we are NOT going to deleted every jet before the MiG-23BN and Su-22M-4 in the DDR OOB because in theory the DDR wasn't assigned a ground support role until the 1980's.

NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.

If this game was set up strictly Human vs Human we could, theoretically, tell people that in the case of Warsaw pact nations, if no aircraft are available then they should buy some from the Soviet OOB as they would actually be the ones supplying ground attack support to whatever nation needed it ( if they were lucky.....).

But the AI cannot do that. The AI cannot decide it needs aircraft then buy them from the appropriate OOB so there has to be aircraft available in the OOB for it to buy and if you need to rationaliize that, rationalize it as them being Russian aircraft on loan or on call.

Don

[Suhiir]

The other problem, as YOU, Mr. Former-Squid, should know, is since about WW II almost every "fighter" aircraft made can carry at least a couple bombs. And the few designs that couldn't (the origional F4U-1 Corsair comes to mind) were soon modified to do so.

Aircraft are to few, to expensive, and too (potentially) useful to just sit on the deck because they have no ground support capability (other then their guns).

That said...
I'd like to see the ordnance loads on "fighter" type aircraft reduced to make them less bang for the buck then dedicated ground support models. But I know that ain't gonna happen because it would be WAY WAY WAY too much work.