spob20 Yugoslavia corrections/suggestions

[Pibwl]

001 FT-17 tank is too fast (in all OOBs) - speed 6 (it drove less than 8 km/h), but I assume, that it's in order to keep up with infantry in the game?

Maybe then 005 M.28 should be one point faster, to show, that it could drive 16 km/h? (now also 6). Interesting thing, that it's now cheaper, than FT-17, despite being canon-armed.

There were also used FT-17 with 37mm gun (lower photo at http://www.aviarmor.net/tww2/tanks/f...enault_m24.htm)

094 S-Id - it was known in Yugoslavia as T-32 (S-Id was Skoda's designation).
Armament should be 37mm Skoda A3 gun (weapon 013 from Czechoslovak oob), not 47 mm, and it carried 42 rounds.
MG should be renamed to vz.30.
Front and side armour was 12-22 mm (no specific info), so at least in front it should be strengthened to 2.
Speed was 41 km/h (now 15)
[data from Kliment/Francev "Czechoslovak Armored Fighting Vehicles 1918-1948" and a Russian Bronekollektsya 5/99]

Originally Posted by zastava128

Here I can help you more: the Somuas used the same camo as they had in German service. I can't tell the exact colours, but probably something like this: http://www.achtungpanzer.com/images/somua.jpg
The only marking was a red star, replacing the Balkenkreuz.

That's what I assumed, creating a picture (will be in a following pack )

[Pibwl]

095 NC.27 - there is some confusion in designations of Renault tanks from 1920s, but Yugoslavia had only a series of M.28 tanks (aka M27/28 or M26/27 or NC-2), with Kegresse rubber tracks (publications vary mow many there were). As far as it is known, there were no NC-27 tanks of a pictured model, with modified hull and steel tracks, especially acquired in 1937.

[zastava128]

Originally Posted by Pibwl

095 NC.27 - there is some confusion in designations of Renault tanks from 1920s, but Yugoslavia had only a series of M.28 tanks (aka M27/28 or M26/27 or NC-2), with Kegresse rubber tracks (publications vary mow many there were). As far as it is known, there were no NC-27 tanks of a pictured model, with modified hull and steel tracks, especially acquired in 1937.

Well spotted. The only armoured vehicles the Royal Army had were:

1st tank battalion: FT-17 and M.28 (54 total)
2nd tank battalion: R-35 (54)
armoured vehicle squadron: T-32 (8), Berliet-White armoured car (3), "SPAK" armoured car (1 - no idea what this was, possibly a WW1-era Italian armoured car), locally-made armoured truck (2)

[Pibwl]

Maybe 005 M.28 is supposed to be just FT-17 with a gun, while 097 NC.27 is supposed to be a tank with modified suspension (speed 7). But, apart from a name, the picture shows other version, they should be available from 1930, and they were canon-armed (on known photos at least), and with the same armour.

I've spotted one more thing:
159 Hurricane I - it should be rather armed with 8 MGs, not 20 mm guns, like Mk.IIc.

[zastava128]

Originally Posted by Pibwl

Maybe 005 M.28 is supposed to be just FT-17 with a gun, while 097 NC.27 is supposed to be a tank with modified suspension (speed 7). But, apart from a name, the picture shows other version, they should be available from 1930, and they were canon-armed (on known photos at least), and with the same armour.

It's possible. But as you've said, the M.28 was acquired in 1929, so I'm pretty sure the NC.27 should be taken out. Not sure about the speed, but I don't think I've ever seen any tank with speed less than 6. Maybe it's something hard-coded inot the game engine?

I've found out that 2/3 of the FT-17/M.28 tanks were armed with 37mm guns, and that 3/4 of the tanks were the FT-17 model. So that means there were definitely FT-17 model tanks with 37mm guns.

[Pibwl]

Originally Posted by zastava128

It's possible. But as you've said, the M.28 was acquired in 1929, so I'm pretty sure the NC.27 should be taken out. Not sure about the speed, but I don't think I've ever seen any tank with speed less than 6. Maybe it's something hard-coded inot the game engine?

I've found out that 2/3 of the FT-17/M.28 tanks were armed with 37mm guns, and that 3/4 of the tanks were the FT-17 model. So that means there were definitely FT-17 model tanks with 37mm guns.

I guess, that since they are infantry tanks, they shouldn't be slower, than infantry, which actually runs in the game

So, I think, that we need three tanks: FT MG-armed, FT gun-armed and M.28 gun-armed. Do you know, if M.28 was their official designation? They are usually described in sources as M.26/27 or M.27/28 or NC-2 and nobody seems to know what is correct.

By the way: a proper picture for MG-armed 001 FT is eg. 27560.

[zastava128]

Originally Posted by Pibwl

I guess, that since they are infantry tanks, they shouldn't be slower, than infantry, which actually runs in the game

So, I think, that we need three tanks: FT MG-armed, FT gun-armed and M.28 gun-armed. Do you know, if M.28 was their official designation? They are usually described in sources as M.26/27 or M.27/28 or NC-2 and nobody seems to know what is correct.

By the way: a proper picture for MG-armed 001 FT is eg. 27560.

Correct, those three versions you mention were used. Official designation was M.28 - I'm 100% sure of this.

By the way, an interesting thing I just noticed is that the Germans captured some of the T-32s and they received the designation "PzKpfW 732 (j)". It's the first time I see a weapon with the "j" (jugoslawisch) designation. Unfortunately there's no space in the German OOB for them... And nobody seems to know where the Germans deployed them - they were no longer in Yugoslavia when the Germans surrendered in 1945, and there are no reports mentioning they were ever deployed in Yugoslavia.

[PvtJoker]

Originally Posted by Pibwl

I guess, that since they are infantry tanks, they shouldn't be slower, than infantry, which actually runs in the game

So, I think, that we need three tanks: FT MG-armed, FT gun-armed and M.28 gun-armed. Do you know, if M.28 was their official designation? They are usually described in sources as M.26/27 or M.27/28 or NC-2 and nobody seems to know what is correct.

By the way: a proper picture for MG-armed 001 FT is eg. 27560.

There really are no tanks with speed less than 6, which translates to 18 km/h. The real FT-17 of course could do about 8 km/h on road, which would be speed 3 in game terms. I think the original SP and DOS SPWW2 limited the minimum speed of motor vehicles to 6, but as far as I know that limitation is no longer in place. Setting the unit sound manually may still be necessary. Perhaps Don can enlighten us. I don't have time to try that right now.

As for the NC.27, the Landships website claims that some were sold to Yugoslavia:

http://www.landships.info/landships/tank_articles.html#

It's under French tanks.

Unfortunately the article does not mention the source, so who knows where the writer got that info from.