spob20 Yugoslavia corrections/suggestions

[Pibwl]

Maybe 005 M.28 is supposed to be just FT-17 with a gun, while 097 NC.27 is supposed to be a tank with modified suspension (speed 7). But, apart from a name, the picture shows other version, they should be available from 1930, and they were canon-armed (on known photos at least), and with the same armour.

I've spotted one more thing:
159 Hurricane I - it should be rather armed with 8 MGs, not 20 mm guns, like Mk.IIc.

[zastava128]

Originally Posted by Pibwl

Maybe 005 M.28 is supposed to be just FT-17 with a gun, while 097 NC.27 is supposed to be a tank with modified suspension (speed 7). But, apart from a name, the picture shows other version, they should be available from 1930, and they were canon-armed (on known photos at least), and with the same armour.

It's possible. But as you've said, the M.28 was acquired in 1929, so I'm pretty sure the NC.27 should be taken out. Not sure about the speed, but I don't think I've ever seen any tank with speed less than 6. Maybe it's something hard-coded inot the game engine?

I've found out that 2/3 of the FT-17/M.28 tanks were armed with 37mm guns, and that 3/4 of the tanks were the FT-17 model. So that means there were definitely FT-17 model tanks with 37mm guns.

[Pibwl]

Originally Posted by zastava128

It's possible. But as you've said, the M.28 was acquired in 1929, so I'm pretty sure the NC.27 should be taken out. Not sure about the speed, but I don't think I've ever seen any tank with speed less than 6. Maybe it's something hard-coded inot the game engine?

I've found out that 2/3 of the FT-17/M.28 tanks were armed with 37mm guns, and that 3/4 of the tanks were the FT-17 model. So that means there were definitely FT-17 model tanks with 37mm guns.

I guess, that since they are infantry tanks, they shouldn't be slower, than infantry, which actually runs in the game

So, I think, that we need three tanks: FT MG-armed, FT gun-armed and M.28 gun-armed. Do you know, if M.28 was their official designation? They are usually described in sources as M.26/27 or M.27/28 or NC-2 and nobody seems to know what is correct.

By the way: a proper picture for MG-armed 001 FT is eg. 27560.

[zastava128]

Originally Posted by Pibwl

I guess, that since they are infantry tanks, they shouldn't be slower, than infantry, which actually runs in the game

So, I think, that we need three tanks: FT MG-armed, FT gun-armed and M.28 gun-armed. Do you know, if M.28 was their official designation? They are usually described in sources as M.26/27 or M.27/28 or NC-2 and nobody seems to know what is correct.

By the way: a proper picture for MG-armed 001 FT is eg. 27560.

Correct, those three versions you mention were used. Official designation was M.28 - I'm 100% sure of this.

By the way, an interesting thing I just noticed is that the Germans captured some of the T-32s and they received the designation "PzKpfW 732 (j)". It's the first time I see a weapon with the "j" (jugoslawisch) designation. Unfortunately there's no space in the German OOB for them... And nobody seems to know where the Germans deployed them - they were no longer in Yugoslavia when the Germans surrendered in 1945, and there are no reports mentioning they were ever deployed in Yugoslavia.

[zastava128]

And for my final contribution, some .lbm files for Yugoslavia. I've tried them and they work fine in my game. Readme file is in the archive and details what they're meant to replace (for the infantry that is; the vehicles and arty should be obvious).

Attachment 12636

(yes, most of the SMGs are actually Sten guns, but I couldn't find any *good* photo of a SMG squad armed with PPSh-41s)

[Pibwl]

To be precise, a Polish tankette is TK-3 (TK).

I'm interested in Polish stuff - do you know, how many were acquired, and if they were TK-3 or also TKS?

BTW: I like an artillery observer

[zastava128]

Originally Posted by Pibwl

To be precise, a Polish tankette is TK-3 (TK).

I'm interested in Polish stuff - do you know, how many were acquired, and if they were TK-3 or also TKS?

BTW: I like an artillery observer

Sorry, I missed your post for some reason.

Well the most recent book on the subject (see the original post) claims they were TKS... but then on one of the photos it's marked as a TK-3.

Local reports always simply call them "Ursus", which is why some older literature assume Croatia had Ursus Armoured Cars - but this has since been disproved.

Anyway there were around 16-20 such tankettes in Croatian service. Some sources mention 18, others say 16 + 4 for spare parts etc.

They don't appear to have seen as much action as the L3 tankettes, and none of them were captured by the partisans until near the very end of the war. Those that were captured were not used in battle anymore, but only for training.

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If Don is reading this, I missed something in the original list: Desant teams (Tankodesants). Should be available from 3/45 onwards. Armament and organization was identical to their Soviet counterparts, except that there were no PPSh-43 and RPG-43.

[DRG]

Originally Posted by zastava128

And for my final contribution, some .lbm files for Yugoslavia. I've tried them and they work fine in my game. Readme file is in the archive and details what they're meant to replace (for the infantry that is; the vehicles and arty should be obvious).

Attachment 12636

(yes, most of the SMGs are actually Sten guns, but I couldn't find any *good* photo of a SMG squad armed with PPSh-41s)

I probably won't be starting work on the Yugo OOB until after Christmas and as much as I would like to use the LBM's most are , to be honest, not salvageable, but if you can give me links to where you found them I can start fresh with the originals unless you have the originals on file and if you do we can work out a transfer.

Don

[zastava128]

Originally Posted by DRG

I probably won't be starting work on the Yugo OOB until after Christmas and as much as I would like to use the LBM's most are , to be honest, not salvageable, but if you can give me links to where you found them I can start fresh with the originals unless you have the originals on file and if you do we can work out a transfer.

Don

Very well, here's the links. I've found some additional/better photos in the meantime.

Ustase militia
http://forum.axishistory.com/downloa....php?id=102343
http://forum.axishistory.com/downloa....php?id=102349
http://i48.tinypic.com/2rxie79.jpg

Ustase Ansaldo
http://forum.axishistory.com/downloa....php?id=131516

Ustase TK-3 (not TKS as I originally thought...)
http://img692.imageshack.us/img692/577/048ip.jpg

Ustase PzKW I
http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/3985/pz1tranpm3di3.jpg

Ustase L6/40
http://i52.tinypic.com/3583wba.jpg
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtop...97186&start=30

Ustase PzKw IV F1
http://img236.imageshack.us/img236/3...kwf20iv4vb.jpg

Partisan Autoblinda 41
http://img243.imageshack.us/img243/5563/blinda2ajs7.jpg

Partisan AEC MKII
http://stef124.tripod.com/Aec-3.jpg
or
http://stef124.tripod.com/Aec-2.jpg

Various Cetnik infantry:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...tnici_1944.jpg
http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/524...nicetnici2.jpg
http://img2.imageshack.us/img2/7562/zzzzeo.jpg
http://i35.piczo.com/view/2/b/v/9/6/...2809_46078.gif
http://s017.radikal.ru/i419/1203/11/f83ca4ccaab5.jpg
http://www.shotgunnews.com/files/201...hetniks.02.jpg

Partisan Schwarzlose HMG
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...vnica_1944.jpg

Partisan T-34/76
http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/f...01945/a001.jpg
or
http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/f...-34_hex_94.jpg

Partisan T-34/85
http://www.wwiivehicles.com/yugoslav...t_34_85_01.jpg

Forward Observer
http://www.barikada.com/slike04/yugo...kovacevic1.jpg

Partisan Hetzer
http://www.mycity-military.com/imgs2...6_hetzer-3.JPG

Partisan L6/40
http://oklop2.tripod.com/fiatl6-1.jpg
or
http://www.ratnakronikasplita.com/sl...ja_tenkova.jpg

Partisan L3 tankette
http://oklop2.tripod.com/fiat-1.jpg

Partisan M7 Priest
http://www.oklop.net23.net//m7/m7-3.jpg

Partisan M8 Scott
http://stef124.tripod.com/m-8how.jpg
or
http://stef124.tripod.com/m8-1how.jpg

Partisan PIAT
http://www.mycity-military.com/slika..._john_bull.JPG

Partisan M15/42
http://www.paluba.info/smf/index.php...h=268431;image

Partisan H39
http://www.mycity-military.com/imgs2...7580_h39-9.jpg

Partisan scout
http://i436.photobucket.com/albums/q...plitvice-1.jpg

Partisan 81mm Mortar
http://24.media.tumblr.com/3972074df...oy9ro1_500.jpg

Various Partisans (1941 to 1944)
-basically, these can replace the pics of any of the following units: 42, 45, 87, 115, 118, 122
http://tacno.net/wp-content/uploads/...8455350905.jpg
http://www.jutarnji.hr/multimedia/ar...i_227159S1.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...ka_brigada.JPG
http://makarska-post.com/wp-content/.../partizani.jpg
http://i1118.photobucket.com/albums/...vPartisans.jpg
http://forum.axishistory.com/download/file.php?id=74882

Yugoslav Army 1945
-these can replace the pics of any of the following units: 47, 48, 81, 82
http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n...COURTHOUSE.jpg
http://www.radiosarajevo.ba/upload/i...evo_6april.jpg
http://globus.jutarnji.hr/incoming/2...eb1-1-copy.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...X/Scan0018.jpg
http://www.mladina.si/media/www/slik...ec_display.jpg
http://www.evarazdin.hr/cms/wp-conte...ni-485x273.jpg

Partisan cavalry
http://www.mycity-military.com/imgs2...Leskovac...jpg

Partisan M1 Pack Howitzer
http://forum.axishistory.com/download/file.php?id=75748

Partisan Breda AA
http://forum.axishistory.com/download/file.php?id=87983

Partisan Hurricane IV
http://i762.photobucket.com/albums/x...psc0db82a0.jpg

Partisan Spitfire V
http://www.forgottenairfields.com/up...ne/04_Kane.jpg
or
http://aces.safarikovi.org/victories...ugoslavia1.jpg

Partisan Spitfire IX
http://img28.imageshack.us/img28/769...unikvi1945.jpg

Partisan Il-2 (this photo is from just after the end of the war - during the war they still had Soviet markings)
http://www.mycity-military.com/imgs/...so%201945..jpg


I'm attaching several more that can't be found online to the zip file below. Some may not be good enough but I'm afraid that's the only usable ones I found (others either have lots of soldiers on them, are partly obscured etc.).


A couple of photos (Breda MG, Oerlikon AA, BA-64) are MIA. They'll probably have to wait for version 7.0

[PvtJoker]

Originally Posted by Pibwl

I guess, that since they are infantry tanks, they shouldn't be slower, than infantry, which actually runs in the game

So, I think, that we need three tanks: FT MG-armed, FT gun-armed and M.28 gun-armed. Do you know, if M.28 was their official designation? They are usually described in sources as M.26/27 or M.27/28 or NC-2 and nobody seems to know what is correct.

By the way: a proper picture for MG-armed 001 FT is eg. 27560.

There really are no tanks with speed less than 6, which translates to 18 km/h. The real FT-17 of course could do about 8 km/h on road, which would be speed 3 in game terms. I think the original SP and DOS SPWW2 limited the minimum speed of motor vehicles to 6, but as far as I know that limitation is no longer in place. Setting the unit sound manually may still be necessary. Perhaps Don can enlighten us. I don't have time to try that right now.

As for the NC.27, the Landships website claims that some were sold to Yugoslavia:

http://www.landships.info/landships/tank_articles.html#

It's under French tanks.

Unfortunately the article does not mention the source, so who knows where the writer got that info from.