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Old April 7th, 2014, 07:30 PM
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Fallout Re: Finnish OOB 8.0

I just was under the "impression" the Finns would continue with this nomenclature in naming their newly bought LEOPARDS. If this is incorrect that's on me, however, that does not change the fact that those tanks are the Dutch ones they just bought. That being said I believe those guns are correct. That was just a simple transfer to the Finnish OOB of the tanks that are in the Netherlands OOB for how many years now without issue. No plans have been announced for any upgrades on those tanks by Finland with the possible exception of changing out of the TI and maybe the FCS to a BAE Hauglands system. I'm tracking this issue currently. I cannot speak to the LEOPARD 2A5FIN except that the refs below do support your claim.
http://www.janes.com/article/31818/f...opard-2a6-mbts
http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/...inland-020936/
http://www.kmweg.com/home/tracked-ve...fications.html


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Fallout Re: Finnish OOB 8.0

Well that was the plan, see the Patch Page/or the MBT Thread. The wrong Netherlands unit was transferred over to the Finnish OOB. It should've been as requested; Dutch UNIT 037 which does have the correct 120mm/L55 on it. You are correct and I missed the "gun check" myself when I bounced my inputs off the Patch.

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The minister of defence, Carl Haglund, accepted the proposal and the agreement was signed in the change of January-February.

As the Finnish government is looking for savings the FDF has had their share of budget cuts (thus ATACMS acquisition was cancelled) and FDF had estimated that the price of Leopard 2A4 upgrade is half of a price for a new Leopard 2A7 and it wouldn't make any sense to do such thing.

ref: http://www.talouselama.fi/uutiset/ha...rista/a2226406 (in Finnish)
http://yle.fi/uutiset/puolustusminis...mmaksi/7036200 (in Finnish)

translating the most important paragraph:
"According to the Minister of Defence Carl Haglund the Leopard 2A4 tanks currently in use have aged to the point where they need to be upgraded or replaced with new ones. New tanks would have cost approximately 10 million euros a piece and even the upgrade around 5 million euros per tank."

According to the latest Teknologia & Talous magazine, the batches of deliveries will span from 2015 to 2019. A big piece-by-piece scan here, translations maybe later: https://www.dropbox.com/s/mnmftx6phbrubie/TT.png
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The reality has just been updated. Itpsv 2010 Marksman SPAAG prototype never went into production and the defence forces stopped training new conscripts for the gun. However, it will be included in reserve "near the end of this decade", ie. 12/2020 or so.

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Unit 322 Itpsv 2010 AA
A prototype upgrade, never continued.

http://www.puolustusvoimat.fi/wcm/er...iimeisenkerran
"ITPSV 90 (Marksman) Ampumaharjoitukseen viimeistä kertaa ennen kalustoon siirtämistä varmuusvarastointiin."
"ITPSV 90 (Marksman) participating in a shooting drill for the last time before moving the equipment to reserve storage."
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