Smoke Dischargers, And Fragmentation Grenades Fired From These

[RightDeve]

Originally Posted by Turret

Man-thrown grenades have no effect on most armoured vehicles. The vehicle would be better off shooting grenades of it's own.

hahaha... what's your point?
last night i stumbled upon your previous post in which you essentially refuted your own post as if addressing another person.

don't take this as an offence, but i think you're funny.


edit: it does have effect; suppression, buttoned up, possible external wire damage, what are you thinking?

[FASTBOAT TOUGH]

Just for general information the weaponized GALIX is only on Sweden's STRV-122A and STRV-122B tanks as again as already posted, there is no evidence to support the weaponized use of the GALIX system by any other country user; I don't know if it is a violation of NATO, EU self defense treaty rules or doctrine of the countries themselves. Sweden I believe and I'm guessing here; is just trying to give itself every advantage it can get to the small army it has. Let's not forget they were one of the first if not the first to develop a system like the STRIX which is a very effective (See videos in Forum or other.) AT mortar round.
In my campaign SWEDEN vs. RUSSIA the GALIX fires out to the adjacent hex and has taken a toll on Russian infantry units that have come upon my tanks unexpectedly. Light casualties, suppression, retreat or a combination of the three depending on the situation. Seems to be working properly and as I expected given the information I submitted.

Regard,
Pat

[shahadi]

Originally Posted by FASTBOAT TOUGH

Just for general information the weaponized GALIX is only on Sweden's STRV-122A and STRV-122B tanks as again as already posted,

Is the French Leclerc no longer fitted with the Galix anti-personnel system or vehicle protection system?

Abraham

[scorpio_rocks]

Originally Posted by shahadi

Is the French Leclerc no longer fitted with the Galix anti-personnel system or vehicle protection system?

Abraham

I believe the UAE "desert" Leclerc and Italy's Centauro also mount it.

[FASTBOAT TOUGH]

When I saw these posts yesterday out of town I just had to walk away shake my head and smile so as not to influence my mood with a evening with CINCLANTHOME.
I REALLY WISH SOME PEOPLE WOULD TAKE A DEEP BREATH OUT HERE AND JUST READ THE POST AS SLOWLY AS NEEDED TO UNDERSTAND IT. Please just give it one more go around. But for those not so inclined and for clarification here you go.
Tank grenade launchers primary purpose is to act as part of a defensive suite to protect armor. They generally use the following defensive grenades; conventional smoke grenades, anti-IR aerosol/smoke grenades, anti-Laser aerosol/smoke, chaff aerosol/smoke or a combination of the last three. Examples of weaponized grenades (Weaponized was used in my last post and as quoted.) would include Stun/Flash Bang grenades, HE Frag and HEAP grenades. Back to GALIX...

1. GALIX is only one example of many such systems.

2. All those countries still have GALIX.

3. Only SWEDEN to date is known to use weaponized grenades along with the defensive ones carried as part of their GALIX system. I'm still looking into the other countries but to no avail so far. Also it looks like SWEDEN is also using weaponized grenades on their CV-9030's as well ,BUT, I'm not satisfied with the amount and to some degree the source material to support this claim at this time.

Also in no manner am I talking about mortars here which have nothing to do with this discussion as carried on the Turkish M60T and a number of Israeli tanks SABRA and MERKAVA's. And because I know SOMEONE will ask, that issue is in many threads in the forum to include the MBT one but since I'm in a good mood...we don't have the weapons slots to include them-I'd personally rather have the main gun and MG's anyway.

And "shame on you" that someone who spent a career in the NAVY and worse on SUBMARINES should have to point this out!?! It's almost embarrassing-where's gingertanker when I need him!?! got it, so I'll just for awhile but not before we have some and and maybe even a yeah skip the last and just know I'll be . Sorry Don (He really doesn't like these things except these (This a rare and collectible one!!) for other people like me once in awhile.) just couldn't resist.

Regards,
Pat

[shahadi]

Yes, I agree, everyone ought to slow down and take a deep breath. The question I asked merely, and I'll state it here again, "Is the French Leclerc no longer fitted with the Galix anti-personnel system or vehicle protection system?" Please note "anti-personnel," which as I understand the term weaponized as used in this thread, is weaponized, i.e. it can kill. Clearly, an "anti-personnel" system as discussed in this thread is weaponized.

Please see: https://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/...ocs/3aps98.pdf. Scroll to page 4, middle column or search document for The Galix System. Therein it is stated: "It can fire 80mm smoke rounds, anti-personnel rounds, or decoy rounds out to 30-50 meters."

Fastboat Tough assets that only Sweden has a weaponized system, although Galix is manufactured by the French company, Nexter. Again we find in Army Technology the following: "The Galix system can launch smoke or anti-personnel grenades or infrared decoys."

Again, a little civility please in our discussions.

Abraham

[FASTBOAT TOUGH]

OK-There are about only six countries that use the GALIX system. France, Italy and UK the primary larger armies that do use GALIX. GALIX offers about ten different grenade options that can be used with the system as covered in my last post. It is up to the individual country to determine which grenades it wants to use. As I clearly stated in my first post (And elsewhere.) in this thread; SWEDEN is the only one I could find documentation on that again clearly states that they use the weaponized/anti-personnel grenades. Again as noted in my first post and with further explanation; SWEDEN is the only GALIX user in Europe not burdened by NATO or EU Treaties that might (As I don't know.) ban the use of these weapons or it could just be they violate that individual countries military doctrine on the use of them. All I know for sure is they don't use them except again, for SWEDEN. This could change if SWEDEN, NORWAY and FINLAND form a "NORDIC PACT" as has been discussed recently. It's purpose would be similar to NATO.
If I may make a comparison, India a couple of years ago was mulling the use of the STUN/FLASH BANG grenades on their armor for suppression purposes. It was heavily debated within the government at the time. I believe the use was finally allowed but I'm not certain.

It's important to note that most weapons and defensive systems provide ammo options but, it doesn't mean all are used by a particular country.

Regards,
Pat

[gila]

Originally Posted by shahadi

Again, a little civility please in our discussions.

Abraham

Yeah, cooler heads is good idea.
It's just inane topic about smoke dischargers,which has almost none effect on game playabilty after all.
Too much time spent discussing on nothing at all, IMO.