Obsolete ships

rdouglass · #1 January 23rd, 2003, 10:37 PM

It would be nice if we could just 'archive' the designs instead of obselete. Then we could still hide them in our build queue lists AND save them to our .emp files.... Just a thought....

couslee · #2 January 24th, 2003, 01:29 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Suicide Junkie:
A design will be deleted when all of the following conditions are true:

There are zero vehicles of that type owned by any empire in the game

The turn is being processed. (Press end turn)

A new year is starting. (EG: 2406.0)

Well, I am the one having the problem mentioned in the patch thread. I have met all those pre-reqs for design deletion, and the old obsolete desings are not getting deleted. There is another factor SOMEWHERE, but I can't find it. Some of my designs do get deleted, others that should do not. the only difference I have seen between the two (deleted and non-deleted) in the problem designs are ship that I have retrofitted.
There has been a lot of good suggestions and questions, but all has been to no avail. The reason I posted in the patch/upgrade thread is even if I figure this problem out, it still would be nice to have a DELETE DESIGN button. There is an open slot on the right anyway for a button.

I didn't do the remane ship idea I had, mainly because one of the obsolete designs that was retrofitted and wont go away is a small transport, and I don't even have any of those.

Also, I have not had ANY ships in this game get captured, so having one owned by the AI being the problem is not it.

The designs that have failed to be deleted include:
1 Sm Sat (which makes no sence at all)
6 Light Cruiser designs
4 Cruisers
2 Frigates
1 Sm Transport
3 Med Transports.

I have had some of these designs pass the .0 mark more than 4 times.

I have had other designs that did delete. i can't figure out what the problem is, nor a work-around to get them gone. As I said, I can leave them obsoleted, and not have to look at them, except when a situation arises that i have to uncheck hide obsolete. But that is not the point. I hate clutter, esp when dealing with ship designs. And since the game HAS some type of design deletion, the designers agree there is a need for it.

Perhaps, this goes back to previous problems/bugs players had with design stats. I don't know. Sure wish I could find out.

Krsqk · #3 January 26th, 2003, 02:27 AM

1) E-mail Aaron about the bug. Include the relevant savegame file.
and
2) Build one ship of the problem design, give it a turn to live, and then scrap it. Should work around the problem (although it needs to be fixed).

couslee · #4 January 26th, 2003, 09:24 AM

Where do I find his email addy? And wouldn't he need the race file with empire designs saved, with the saved game?

Just to be clear on your work around.
.07: unobsolete design and enter in queue.
.08: do nothing.
.09: recycle ship and re-obsolete design.

Were you able to re-create the bug? And tried this, or is it a guess? Not that guesses are a bad thing. At this point, anything is worth a shot. I just got baseships, and changed a few building strategies, and would really like to clean up the old mess. (first game woe's).

couslee · #5 January 26th, 2003, 09:35 AM

If no one else can duplicate this, then perhaps either my install or patch application got hosed. might need to re-do.

The other thing not sure if I mentioned, for design types, I deleted some of the defaults, and made new ones that are more general. like I don't need 3 seperate lists for colony ship types. One catagory of "colonizers" is fine. So I used the delete type option, and made a new one called that. I doubt this has been the problem tho, as obsolete colony ship designs have been deleted on .0 like they are suppose to. but if trying to re-create, then all details are relevant. others that come to mind are "combat","bombers", "support" and "transports". Most of my designs are in those lists. The more specific default listing catagories have been deleted. IE: Colony Ship(rock), ect....

No, the only problem I have had, is with the retrofitted ship designs, and the one mysterious Sat design.

couslee · #6 January 30th, 2003, 03:38 PM

I noticed something, that may answer the problem here. (squash that bug)
Now, the game and race that started this thread is long gone.
The Simultaneous game before my current game is also gone but I am still using the same race file. In that game, I did save the empire with designs.

That being said.

In my new current game, when I click on the stats option, it shows I have "in service" the same number and type of ships that I had in my abandoned game.

Perhaps, the game's failure to delete those designs is due to the empire file still showing ships "in service" of that type.

As I said, the old game is gone, so i can't go back and try different workarounds, like re-saving the empire file on turn .9. But this is a strong possible explanation imo. I will be looking more into this in my current game. I will have to re-create the bug, and then try a workaround. if that fixes it, then fixing this bug in the next patch should be easy for MM.
(if I don't get killed trying to do someone elses job.) I would like to play the damn game, not bug hunt it. It will take about one more major irritation and off my HD it goes.