Italy OOB 34 corrections/suggestions (v.8.1)

[Pibwl]

399 SPA 35 Dovunque - icon is different, than in unit #068 (it has icon 391, which seems more correct, for it has no long nose - with 392 green variant eventually).

400,401 Fiat 508B OA, Fiat 508C OA (avail. from 1935) - in fact, both use a photo 16070 of 508CM, which was a standard Italian jeep produced from late 1938 (https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiat_508CM ) or even 1939 (http://www.italie1935-45.com/regio-e...50-fiat-508-cm).
The first one should be Fiat 508M - https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiat_508M, http://www.italie1935-45.com/regio-e...at-508-balilla - it could be named 508M or 508 Spider or just 508, and be fitted with own photo (there was a good photo 30252 before, but it was replaced with newer Polish 508 Łazik photo in latest releases).

The second one should be renamed CM and made available later.

420 Fiat Ricerca - it should be the same vehicle as above, using icon 694 (current one is too large). Current photo is a small civilian sedan, while a better one would be one of jeeps above. I suggest to create two units, 508M and CM as above, with different photos.

There is a problem with jeep-like vehicles, that currently it can carry 6 persons, and it has to carry 4-men scout squads, while M could carry only 1+2, and CM 1+3 persons.

Same remarks for unit 646 Fiat Ricerca (which has to carry 6-men squads).


402 Fiat 626RNL AB - name is wrong - 626RNL had cab over engine and was produced since 1939
https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:F...NL_autobus.png
https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiat_626
I don't know what bus should go there instead.


412 Fiat 1100 - much better icon for a pickup is 689 or 3182-3184

416 Fiat OGI 708 - should be Fiat-OCI 708 CM (https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiat-OCI_708_CM )

There is also one cool wheeled tractor, that could be added: http://www.italie1935-45.com/regio-e...item/295-tm-40
https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/SPA_TM40

417 Breda 32M Trat - used from some 1933 https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breda_TP32 http://www.italie1935-45.com/regio-e...m/284-breda-32 (now: 39). Max speed was only 30 km/h.

421 AS-37 Ricerca - better icon is 456 (current one is AS-42 with a spare wheel in front). Photo is nice, but it is TL-37 tractor (it is acceptable, since AS-37 was a derivate fof Tl-37, but it looked different https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiat-SPA_AS37 ). It should not be armoured.

422 Pavesi P4-100 - was used since the 1920s https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pavesi_P4

428 Bat Obici 212mm - it should be 210mm http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ansaldo_210/22_Mod._1935

437 AB Volpe - a translation of a name suggests it is a Fox, but a photo is a low-quality Humber (Fox is 6009). Fox should be armoured with .50 Browning and .30 Browning (btw: armament of Canadian unit #48 should be corrected as well)

438 Autoblinda MkIV - photo should be Humber IV (30121). I don't think the Italians would change 7.9mm Besa to Breda CMG. maybe the name should be AB Humber MkIV rather?

441 219mm Mortaio - possibly it should be 210mm http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mortaio_da_210/8_D.S.

462 MGCA M.37 Breda - photo is probably some ZB-30. Breda looked like this http://worldwartwozone.com/gallery.old/500/be5b.jpg (there are also more interesting photos on this page http://worldwartwozone.com/forums/in...talian-forces/ )

[Pibwl]

465 Cannone 155L39 - photo shows US M2 Long Tom, but it should be 155/45 (http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/M1_155_mm_Long_Tom)

467 MGCA M.30 Breda - was there an AA mounting for such a light LMG?... (and with small magazine?) As the earliest AAMG, I'd rather expect heavy Fiat-Revelli Mod. 1914 (what seems to be confirmed by https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiat-Revelli_Mod._1914 - unfortunately, no photos in AA configuration)

468 MGCA Breda 13.2 - photo is here https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Breda_mod.31.jpg (it doesn't seem, that 13.2mm Breda was a standard type in ground army...)

474 Romeo Cingolato - it should be rather Breda 61 semicingolato - https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breda_61

The other halftrack model was Fiat 727, which dffered from German ones, but only a few were made https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiat_727

476 AS-37 - same remarks as unit 421

492,493 Fiat SPA 611/34, 611/35 - it was just Fiat 611 https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiat_611_%28autoblindo%29
http://www.italie1935-45.com/regio-e...m/281-fiat-611
Size should be 4 - it was huge.

492 should be armed with 3 single MGs only - two single ones in a turret and one at the back.
493 might be designated Fiat 611 37/40 indicating the gun, and it should be armed with #14 Vickers-Terni 37/40 (now 47mm), single 6.5mm MG at the turret's rear and the second one at the back. Gun ammo was 50 rounds (there should be more AP). Definitely the gun and MG could not shoot at one target at the same time (in both cars, usage of rear hull MG must have been rare).
Winter icon could be 4448

499 Fiat 2000 - it had single 6.5mm MGs (there existed only single versions of 6.5mm MG).
Used until 1934 only https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiat_2000

500 CV-35 [20], 503 CV-38 [20], 504 CV-38 CC - there's no info about trials of fitting tankettes with 20mm guns, apart from a probably single vehicle used during the Spanish Civil War. Only from late 1940 they started to be armed with Solothurn gun (represented already by unit #32) - and surely 20mm-armed tankettes weren't produced in any series before that date. IMO they should be removed.

501 CV-35 [37] - there's no info about tankettes armed with 37mm guns - and surely they were not produced in any series.

502 CV-38 - "it was not until mid-1942 when Ansaldo started modifying 200 tankettes with the new suspension" (Squadron/Signal book)

505 CV-38/Brixia - a photo is on a page http://forum.worldoftanks.com/index....page__st__2680

506 CV-38 [13.2] - actually, a few tankettes were fitted with 13.2mm MG only from 1941 (or late 1940 - Squadron/Signal book).
They and 20-mm armed ones weren't numerous and could be treated as a separate category, to avoid platoons consisting all of modified tankettes.

[Pibwl]

508 L 6/40 CA - I can find no info about alleged L 6/40 with AAMG (instead of CMG?..), also there are no photos with AAMG on a turret.
According to http://www.italie1935-45.com/regio-e...tem/289-l-6-40 , delivered from 5/41 (now 3/41). But first were delivered to cavalry school, and they were shipped to Africa only in 12/41.

509 L 6/40 [37] - no sign of such tank with 37mm gun, apart from early prototypes, but they had short 37/26...

510,511 AB Coloniale - it's not clear what they're supposed to be. Photo is Belgian Ford/M-H 91Y armoured tractor. If we mean obsolete armoured cars, that were used away from main theatre, it can possibly be only Eastern Africa - and Fiat 611 and Lancia 1ZM were used there. A nice colonial car could be also http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiat-Terni_Tripoli (btw, according to this page, they were initially armed with 6.5mm MG, but during the war they were rearmed with 12.7mm AAMG in an open turret). So, maybe after an advent of AB-40, older armoured cars should be available as colonial cars only? In case of Lancia 1ZM it would be until 1943 (on islands).

There is no sign of armoured gun-armed trucks in Italian army, moreover, used in far colonies instead of main theatre. There could be used ordinary gun-armed trucks instead, described earlier. ("In Eritrea, an unspecified number of 65/17 guns were mounted on Fiat 634 trucks" - Italian Truck-Mounted Artillery in action)

515 Guzzi Trasporto - photo is in fact Belgian FN - there are Italian ones here: http://www.italie1935-45.com/regio-e...guzzi-alce-500 name could be changed to Guzzi TriAlce https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moto_Guzzi_TriAlce
It was produced from 1940 (now 1/39)

524 Corazzata BB - the Italians used 305mm guns only until around 1937/38 (beginning of refit of Andrea Doria class)

525 Corazzata BB - photo should be 704 or 2004 - now it's probably 381mm (at least used as such by #523 unit)

564 Centro Radia OA - more appropriate as FO vehicle seems Carro Commando L40, built upon Semovente 47. It was turretless, open-top, armed with 8mm BMG (concealed as a gun). Icon would be of Semovente 1900/1901. Centro Radia command tanks had no AAMG anyway.

566 Carro M.41 OA, 567,715 SMV M.42 OA - seems, that both are in fact the same Carro Commando M.41. Proper photo is 16150 on the other hand. It was armed with single 13.2mm Breda (there was no twin 13.2mm BMG) and AAMG Breda 38 (Squadron/Signal book)


That's all.

[DRG]

Originally Posted by Pibwl

That's all.

I'm going to hold you to that promise. I have quite enough to do as it is