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March 23rd, 2016, 12:40 AM
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Re: APC Development and related topics.
The first CTCS 40mm system has been turned over to the Brits. It appears the early data on the performance of the ammo was pretty much on the mark. Also loading process is shown in the below ref as well which to this point I don't recall seeing before.
http://www.armyrecognition.com/march..._32203161.html
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March 23rd, 2016, 11:43 PM
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Re: APC Development and related topics.
I've been tracking this for a long time now as closely as possible, now that basically we're starting to get both really good artist renderings and pictures which will hopefully lead to better Icons and data for making these systems work in the game.
So next we have JANE's take on the delivery to the UK of the first production CTCS 40mm which gives us the following...
1. Excellent rendering of the weapon itself.
2. A really good and updated picture of the UK AJAX
3. An update that the "mirror" French JAGUAR is still on track.
http://www.janes.com/article/59010/u...-cannon-system
Remember this is a joint effort between the UK and France.
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March 24th, 2016, 03:59 AM
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Re: APC Development and related topics.
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Remember this is a joint effort between the UK and France.
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March 24th, 2016, 11:01 AM
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Re: APC Development and related topics.
The photo of the Ajax in the game is as good as it gets right now and anything to do with the EBRC or the EBMR is REALLY thin.
When they finally roll those out they will go into the game
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Re: APC Development and related topics.
To the joint effort-yes I've already posted a couple of articles on this. Also yes, way to soon for the game. Just pointing out the fact that we're getting some early confirmation of weapon, ammo performance and the likely configuration of the AJAX. The French JAGUAR is still in the artist conception phase as far as I know.
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March 25th, 2016, 10:51 AM
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Re: APC Development and related topics.
Some nice pictures and details for the AJAX variants here: http://www.generaldynamics.uk.com/AJAX/image&video.html |
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March 25th, 2016, 05:14 PM
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Re: APC Development and related topics.
I'm with Don here. We've been burned too many times by "what if" systems. One of WinSPMBTs major advantages over most tactical games is realistic TO&E data over a period of time. Sure lots of games have great data for a very limited period (the various WW III Fulda Gap games out there) but none covers WW II to present.
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March 25th, 2016, 05:19 PM
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Re: APC Development and related topics.
1930 to present when both games are looked at together............. 86 years and counting
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March 28th, 2016, 09:05 PM
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Re: APC Development and related topics.
This next should clear up the "joint" program issue from the preceding posts. I would like to further just clear up a doctrine issue concerning the French and UK in the realm of APC's. Simply the shift has occurred both with UK that had relied more on wheeled types than tracked, where France has gone the other direction. The last serious wheeled APC for the UK was with it's involvement with Germany and Netherlands in the BOXER Program. The UK after it's withdrawal would soon start the FRES-SV Program which suffered from many issues but, was being developed as a tracked vehicle. Anyway that kept Don and I busy for quite a while as I recall. Here's your story and a little background on the FRES-SV as well.
http://www.army-technology.com/news/...system-4847154
https://www.defenseindustrydaily.com...ntracts-01130/
http://www.army-technology.com/projects/fres/
http://www.armyrecognition.com/unite...ations_uk.html
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Yes still tracking FRES-SV Program for about 8yrs. It might make it in before 2025!?! 
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March 31st, 2016, 08:51 AM
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Re: APC Development and related topics.
FRES has been one of the largest British MOD disasters of recent times (not a small thing to say). To be fair it was complicated by large scale UK involvement in Afghanistan and making any resulting vehicle survivable when hit by a mine or large IED.
So Ajax ends up about 40 tons (?) meaning A) it cannot be transported by air except, perhaps by the RAF C17 Globemaster aircraft(?) Anyone ??? and B) Ajax is roughly the same size as Warrior 2 will be, with the same main weapon system. Can UK afford two such similar sized AFV's ...
Even if the C17 can carry the Ajax, the RAF has a limited number of them. FRES was meant to be relatively easy to deploy and air transportable. The British Army wants 8x8 vehicles for the new Strike Brigades, but where to find the money for them even if they are largely 'off the shelf' overseas vehicles...
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