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Old January 28th, 2017, 01:48 AM
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Default Re: oddity when arty shoots at loaded infantry / gun

Units do not change status when they become a passenger, crews always suffer the penalty while squads always don't.
So yes as a passenger the gun & crew are at higher risk, coded for it being on the ground as they are the majority of the time.

On the plus side you don't have to limber unlimber the gun or point it covering a specific facing while its on the ground.

Turn blast circles on if you really want to see if the truck was hit.

Just because it landed in the adjacent hex that does not mean it was 50m away. Your vehicle is somewhere in the hex as is the arty strike.

Look at videos of the effect of artillery on soft vehicles to see how devastating it can be.
Artillery hurts soft vehicles with shock wave, debris etc
Conversely regular gunfire has little effect on a vehicle especially a modern one with all the crash protection unless it has AP rounds.

All that happens when the vehicle escapes unscathed but the passengers don't which happens with standard infantry weapons as well as artillery is the blast or gunfire was not strong enough to cause major damage to the vehicle but went straight through the window/ canvas cover & killed the occupants.

Also happens with armoured vehicles on occasion when hit, passengers die but vehicle is fine. Shot either passed straight through killing them or exploded in compartment without other major damage.

Then there are other strange things that can happen if this video is to be believed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmHVgBh7Lx8
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All that happens when the vehicle escapes unscathed but the passengers don't which happens with standard infantry weapons as well as artillery is the blast or gunfire was not strong enough to cause major damage to the vehicle but went straight through the window/ canvas cover & killed the occupants.

Also happens with armoured vehicles on occasion when hit, passengers die but vehicle is fine. Shot either passed straight through killing them or exploded in compartment without other major damage.
Yeh-heh. Just happened to me in an Spmbt campaign (Russia vs Nato, '86-7) when my precious engineers in a Russian APC came next to US dug-in infantry (it's an assault, natch). The infantry fired something--the message delay was a bit too quick to specify exactly what--which killed or wounded the passengers but spared the crew and vehicle. Stuff happens!
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Yeh-heh. Just happened to me in an Spmbt campaign (Russia vs Nato, '86-7) when my precious engineers in a Russian APC came next to US dug-in infantry (it's an assault, natch). The infantry fired something--the message delay was a bit too quick to specify exactly what--which killed or wounded the passengers but spared the crew and vehicle. Stuff happens!
I believe that in an assault the passengers disembark to fight the attacking infantry, so will often take casualties rather than the vehicle.
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Yeh-heh. Just happened to me in an Spmbt campaign (Russia vs Nato, '86-7) when my precious engineers in a Russian APC came next to US dug-in infantry (it's an assault, natch). The infantry fired something--the message delay was a bit too quick to specify exactly what--which killed or wounded the passengers but spared the crew and vehicle. Stuff happens!
I believe that in an assault the passengers disembark to fight the attacking infantry, so will often take casualties rather than the vehicle.
They do occasionally try to dismount as part of the assault code, in order to protect the vehicle. And if they survive they can get to shoot the attackers in the face - sometimes.

I have seen a vehicle get toasted leaving its crew plus some angry ex-passengers in the wreck hex who then shot up the assaulters as well, but rarely.
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