Ukraine OOB New and Old Toys

[DRG]

Any bit of "leaked" data from an internet source should be both considered possibly accurate AND suspect

This for instance

4 x LEO 2A4 (CAN) - Delivery by April

"Delivery" where ? To Ukraine or to units?

There is video online weeks ago showing at least one loaded on an air transport for Ukraine

https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/first-...land-1.6261115

First tank sent by Canada for Ukrainian forces arrives in Poland

That was

Published Feb. 5, 2023 9:32 p.m. EST

TWO months ago

I suppose it's possible they have been in Poland and used for Training and they are going to Ukraine this month......... could be ( maybe )


Then there is this

The AMX-10RC are assigned to the 37th BDE, and as of 1 MAR; 9 out of 14 were on hand, with the rest delivered through March.

I suppose someone somewhere may have dropped the final "R" from RCR... or France only sent the RC Or they sent both.......

"The truth is out there"........... we just have to wait for it to arrive but in the meantime look for that needle in the haystack only the haystack is a pile of manure


That said, this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NeN-xgocI_c

Does appear to show an RCR

as does this

https://defence-blog.com/ukraine-rec...s-from-france/

even though the caption is "The Ukrainian military has received the first AMX-10RC armored reconnaissance vehicles from France."

[FASTBOAT TOUGH]

And to make matters worse, then there's this.
https://www.armyrecognition.com/defe..._promised.html

Upper right is pictured the AMX-10 RCR but it's labeled as an AMX-10 RC.

The article is discussing it as the AMX-10 RC.

I've posted articles with pictures showing the AMX-10 RCR (Just a week ago or so I posted one in this category showing Ukrainian Crews training in France on maneuvers.) and I also see more of what this ref did above.

Didn't want to post it but, the "door was opened" it's very frustrating.

CONCUR YOURS ARE THE AMX-10 RCR.

HOWEVER, THE YOU TUBE VIDEO OPENS IN THE CAPTION SAYING IT'S AN AMX-10 RC THAT DESERVES ANOTHER...

HOW MANY TIMES HAVE WE DEALT WITH THIS OVER THE YEARS!?! MORE THEN WE'VE CARED TOO.

I feel bad for the AMX-10 RCR it's going to get an "Inferiority Complex".


Regards,
Pat

[MarkSheppard]

Originally Posted by DRG

Any bit of "leaked" data from an internet source should be both considered possibly accurate AND suspect

There's just so much information buried in this slide that if someone was faking it; it's just too much work.

I screwed up this morning; I put the German tanks as Leopard 2A4s, when the slide deck has them as 2A6s. I was trying to type out stuff quickly before going to work on a laptop.

The AMX-10 is only given as "AMX-10" in the slide not RC/RCR or any of that, so you can blame me.

[MarkSheppard]

From one of the leaked slides:

This slide was dated 28 Feb 2023 at 1800 EST; so everything in here is outdated somewhat.

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Based on known contributions, training pathways, and projections, (12) combat credible BDEs can be generated for the Spring Counteroffensive, (3) internally by Ukraine (not depicted], and (9) are trained and equipped by US, Allied & Partner (US/A&P). Of the (9) BDEs, (6) BDEs will be ready by 31MAR, and the final (3) BDEs by 30APR. Equipment delivery times will impact training and readiness in this timeline. Total equipment required for (9) BDEs is 253 x Tanks, 381 x Mech, 480 x Motor, and 147 x Artillery plus delivery of 571 x U.S. Up-Armored HMMWVs.

Brigade Loadouts:

UNK BDE - 90 x BMP, 13 x T-64, 17 x Tanks (UNK), 12 x AS-90 x 10 x 2S1

47 BDE = 99 x M2 Bradleys, 28 x T-55S, 12 x M109, 12 x D-30

33 BDE = 90 x MaxxPro, 14 x Leo 2A6, 18 x Leo 2A4, 12 x M119

21 BDE = 20 x CVR(T), 30 x Senator, 20 x Bulldog, 21 x Husky, 10 x M113, 30 x T-64, 10 x FH70

32 BDE: 90 x MaxxPro, 10 x T-72, 20 x Tanks, 12 x D-30, [illegible]

37 BDE: 30 x Mastiff/Husky, 30 x Mastiff/Wolf, 10 x Senator, 14 x AMX-10, 16 x Tanks, 12 x D-30, [illegible]

118 BDE: 90 x M113, 28 x T-72, 6 x M-109, 8 x FH-70

117 BDE: 28 x Viking, 20 x XA185, 10 x M113, 10 x Senator, 31 x PT-91 Twardy, 12 x D-30

82 BDE: 90 x Stryker, 40 x Marder, 14 x Challenger, 24 x M119

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Ongoing Collective Training:

5 x Armor Bns:

Challenger in England
Leopard 2 in Germany
Leopard 2 in Poland
T-72 in Ukraine
T-64 in Ukraine

7 x Mech Bns:

BMP in Poland by Czechs and Polish
M2 Bradley in Germany
M2 Bradley in Germany
M113 in Ukraine
Marder in Germany
Viking in Finland
XA185 in Finland

3 x Motor Bns:

MaxxPro in Ukraine
Stryker in Germany
Stryker in Germany

3 x Field Arty Bns:

M019 in Germany
M109 in Germany
FH70 in Ukraine

[MarkSheppard]

This is from several of the leaked slides:

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Bakhmut Axis as of 0600 EST on 1 MAR 2023:

Russian Federation Forces:

35 Total MVR BNs

29,000 Total Russian Personnel
~7,000 Regular/Res, RLF, and TDF
~22,000 PMC Vagner

10 Combat-Effective MVR BNs (regular and reserve)
0 Combat-Ineffective MVR BNs (regular and reserve)
15 Combat-Effective RLF BNs
10 Combat-Ineffective RLF BNs
0 Combat-Effective TDF BNs
0 Combat-Ineffective TDF BNs
12 Wagner PMC DETs

Ukranian Armed Forces:
12 BDEs (61 MVR BNs), 15,250 - 30,500 Total Personnel

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Kharkiv Axis as of 0600 EST on 1 MAR 2023:

Russian Federation Forces:
160 Total MVR BNs ~48,600 Total Personnel
37 Combat-Effective MVR BNs (regular and reserve)
44 Combat-Ineffective MVR BNs (regular and reserve)
40 Combat-Effective RLF BNs
1 Combat-Ineffective RLF BNs
38 Combat-Effective TDF BNs
4 Combat-Ineffective TDF BNs

Ukranian Armed Forces:
6 BDEs (29 MVR BNs) 7,250 - 14,500 Total Personnel

==========================================

Donetsk Axis as of 0600 EST on 1 MAR 2023:

Russian Federation Forces:
91 Total MVR BNs, ~ 23, 050 Total Personnel
32 Combat-Effective MVR BNs (regular and reserve)
11 Combat-Ineffective MVR BNs (regular and reserve)
33 Combat-Effective RLF BNs
7 Combat-Ineffective RLF BNs
7 Combat-Effective TDF BNs
1 Combat-Ineffective TDF BNs

Ukranian Armed Forces:
8 BDEs (40 MVR BNs), 10,000 - 20,000 Total Personnel

[MarkSheppard]

From one slide:

As of 0500 EST, 1 MAR 2023:

GMLRS expenditures:

9,612 total rounds expended
28 x Expended in Last 24 Hours
7 Day Burn Rate: 14

155mm expenditures:

952,856 total rounds expended
1,104 x Expended in Last 24 Hours
7 Day Burn Rate: 2,746

==========================

Freeze Favorable to Vehicle Maneuver (~16 Inches) Projections

slide summary:

Kharkiv Line
Mud from Late March to Mid-May
Favorable from Mid-May onwards

Donetsk Line
Mud from Mid-March to Early-May
Favorable from Early-May onwards

South of Donetsk Line
Mud from Mid-March to Early-May
Favorable from Early-May onwards

[FASTBOAT TOUGH]

Alright as part of Post Submission "cleanup" some might find this useful as it says it's Tanks 101 off my favorites (Don't even ask about set equip. folders.) files.

Anyway, it's not a bad video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0IbZGfTgUM
https://forum.shrapnelgames.com/edit...tpost&p=854275
(They got a Scottish Koala alright Co-Host)

Just realized I put this in the wrong Thread.

Regards,
Pat

[DRG]

Well......... "to be fair"........ the RCR *IS* a sub variant of the RC so *technically" it's an RC.

However that is a mistake of regular media to make not armyrecognition

As I have said before I have both in the UKN OOB but the true "RC" is renationalize so it will not show up in the game BUT...... if the damn thing shows up in Ukraine it's a 2 second fix to activate it

[DRG]

and to make thingS so much more fun for what is really a VERY MINOR unit

This is an RCR with the SEPAR modification ( SystèmE de Protection EEI pour AMX 10RCR or IED Protection System for AMX-10RCR ) that replaces the side skirts from the front to the middle of the vehicle by heavy armor plates. This modification is designed for Afghanistan and offers a better protection against EEI ( Improvised Explosive Device). This kit represents the practical limit the suspension can carry. The tank weights now in total 22 t.





and allegedly so is this....... but WITHOUT THE SEPAR EEI



and this



but this is touted to be an RC



as is this



and this
https://www.n-tv.de/mediathek/videos...e23825026.html



claims......"AMX-10 RC are "not what Kiev hoped for"


AND WE DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT UPGRADES MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE BEEN APPLIED

The difference in game terms and to a certain extent in RL is the RC is amphibious and could, if need be added to BTR formations and that added fire support could go where he BTR's could go but the RCR WITH THE SEPAR KIT is not so cannot

The vehicle is WAY more useful working with BTR formations for the added fire support it can give

so........... IF WE SEE A PHOTO OF ONE IN UKRAINE and it does not have the SEPAR then it's amphibious ....... (maybe......)

https://www.defense.gouv.fr/terre/no...x-10-rcr-separ

The renovated AMX 10 RC tank SEPAR (EEI Protection System) is a powerfully armed armored reconnaissance vehicle, with very good mobility on the road and in any way, amphibious (except with overprotection), protected against light weapons from infantry.

[DRG]

Then there is this knee slapper in that article

Moscow sees its hostile attitude towards the West confirmed by the reports on the leaked documents. "We have not the slightest doubt that the United States and NATO are directly or indirectly involved in the conflict between Russia and Ukraine," Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov told CNN.

well DUH !

Maybe at the start.... maybe not, for sure a lot of people saw it coming and made contingencies but that is SOP for governments and military but to say that now there are NATO origin weapons and tanks in Ukraine is Ludacris