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T34/85 1/1966-12/1971 They were Russian built (not Type-58), but had Chinese instructions, so were delivered by China. Ammo should be changed to 24 HE/25 AP/6 HEAT, as used by the Type-58 in Chinese service. There was also a lone SPK5 ARV 1/1966-12/1971 supporting the fleet. They were employed in the 1971 war and then replaced.
Which OOB are you looking at ? There are neither Type-58 nor T34/85 in this OOB so IDK how I can change the ammo load of something that does not exist
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The M3 Lee is on the Lahore Army Museum. The markings are from 1st Armoured Division
There is other Photo below, there is a plate in front of the vehicle, but only a local can go and read it.
You can check at page 4 of:
http://the.shadock.free.fr/Surviving_Lee_Grant.pdf

It was no "Lancer", it was a local modification of M3 chassis.

In 1971 it was not in service, because I have seen Army reports of the fighting, and they talked that "the remaining old 17 Pounder towed guns" were at the West.

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Al Zarrar is an upgrade of the Chinese Type-59 tank.
Al Khalid is a new tank developed of the Chinese Type-90 tank.
If you can’t tell the difference between them, just look at the wheels, AZ has 5 like Tp59, AK has 6 like Tp90.

There were several prototypes of both, you can see it at the files bellow from “Janes Armor & Artillery”.

In production there was only:
AZ srs.2 – Its your Game 23696 photo. It belongs to the first production vehicles delivered. From then on production switched to the srs.3 without ERA armour, like the photo I posted.
AK and AK-I (Improved) look the same, they are like photo below.

Game 23673 photo is an AZ prototype
Game 23695 photo is Chinese Type-85-III prototype (during test in Pakistan)
Game 23672 photo is the real Pakistan T85IIAP
Game 23703 photo is Chinese Type-59 with 120mm gun prototype

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Sorry for the incomplete information regarding T34/85. You must introduce Unit 3 of China OOB14, and then change the Ammo. The machineguns were US M1919. There were 25 used by 15th Lancers (Armoured Reconnaissance Regiment, 3x Sqns of 8 plus RHQ 1 tank). Photo below

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The M3 Lee is on the Lahore Army Museum. The markings are from 1st Armoured Division
There is other Photo below, there is a plate in front of the vehicle, but only a local can go and read it.
You can check at page 4 of:
http://the.shadock.free.fr/Surviving_Lee_Grant.pdf

It was no "Lancer", it was a local modification of M3 chassis.

In 1971 it was not in service, because I have seen Army reports of the fighting, and they talked that "the remaining old 17 Pounder towed guns" were at the West.

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The Indian version on page 21 is interesting as well

ALTHOUGH.......when you view http://www.warbirds.in/galleries/wr/...or/M3-Grant-02

the comment is "An M3 Lee tank on display at the entrance of the MEG Center at Ulsoor. Note the fake gun restoration to the Hull!"

and certainly, the turret gun is not an M6 37mm gun
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The Indians had standart M3 Lee & Grant left by the British. That gun barrel is fake, it was invented when the Tank went to the museum.

The Pakistan M3 has a 17 Pounder antitank gun. It my be a convertion from a M33 Prime Mover, itself a version of the M31 ARV. This had a fake gun. "These had the crane, 37mm turret, internal winch and machine guns removed and a compressor installed to operate the artillery brakes"


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