IDF OOB project.

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The photos didn't appear but I started looking around on the net and ? perhaps ? the photo we are using now for unit 97 Namer MICV RWS is, in fact, an Achzarit Mk2 ?

........ and could it be that this...



is the Namer MICV with the 30mm cannon ? ( which it appears is not actually in service...yet ? )

[gingertanker]

I believe the photo for 097 is an Achzarit with an auto cannon in a large variant of the Katlanit. The Achzarit 2 does not have an auto cannon. But yes, it is for sure an Achzarit and not a Namer, it's probably a test vehicle or prototype that never went anywhere.

The turreted Namer you linked a photo of is indeed the latest (in a confusing series) of turreted Namer variants. However this one seems to be very close to going into service. It is being displayed again and again. I believe it's in operational trials.

You can see here on display in IDF officer course ceremony:
MLRS Menatetz
PUMA with the new Drakonit 12.7mm RWS (similar to Katlanit, and **** now we have to deal with that...We will get to it)
Eitan with I think a Katlanit 12.7mm
Merkava Mk 4M
Namer with 30mm unmanned turret
Ofek heavy command vehicle (which we will need to deal with down the line)

https://2018-uploaded.fresh.co.il/20...1/98121629.jpg

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Originally Posted by gingertanker

Ofek heavy command vehicle (which we will need to deal with down the line)

Close enough ?

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/ofek-...arrier.416398/



The question is how far back the superstructure goes and if its square or hexagonal that is not really clear in the photos.

[gingertanker]

Okay so let's get all these older Armored Cars out of the way.

Unit 091 "GMC A/Car"
This is somewhat confusing but as far as I can tell from various forums as well as a book about IDF ordnance in the early years, these were GM Canada made Otter Light Reconnaissance Cars that were used by the British Police in the Mandate of Palestine. ~10 of these were stolen in various and hilarious ways (Imagine getting off your A/Car to get a pack of smokes and the Hagana steals the thing before you get back).
I have 2 images of the modified Otters in IDF service, both have machine guns only and no guns. Both have a M1919 in the turret, and the hull gun on one is an MG34 while the other has a second M1919 in the hull. The M1919 was quite rare in 1948, the MG34 was far more common. I suggest therefor:
Change unit 091 name to "Otter A/Car". Replace weapon in slot one to MG34. Remove the weapon from slot 3 entirely. Change start date to 5/48.

Unit 092 Humber Mk II is okay, there were some other variants but they are not really that different to the other A/C in the OOB. Do you wish me to specify or should we live this alone?

Unit 093 "Marmon-Herr IVF" as with 092 this is fine, however there was also a turretless version captured and used. Not sure if worth the trouble.

Unit 095The Panhard had a very short career in the IDF. Yes, even shorter then depicted in the OOB. They were only purchased in 1966, for Duchifat - an airborne recce/AT unit. The idea was to use them as AT support/armor for the paratroopers. But they were too heavy when combat ready to be used well by IAF transports of the time. They were used in 1967 and in 1968 and took horrible casualties. Hence they were removed from service. I suggest:
Unit 095: change start date to 1/67 and end date to 12/68