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Old January 1st, 2019, 04:07 AM
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Fallout Re: APC Development and related topics.

Well I guess I'll kick off 2019 with the first post in TO&Es with a couple of FYI stories. The first was brought up in Amit's (Gingertanker) IDF OOB Thread with Don and the next is for my MARINE friend lest she thinks I forgot about her. After all you can't keep a good rivalry down, now can you!?!

Israel: NAMER IFV test fired SPIKE LR from new turret. The launcher can fire two of these missiles that can be reloaded from within the unmanned turret protecting the crew. I estimate the following: 1) It will carry at least eight missiles and I see the distinct possibility it could be ten based on the fact again, this is an unmanned turret. 2) There are still other system checks to be done, so I believe we could possibly see it in service as early as 10/2019 but I feel it'll be closer to 12/2019. It'll also be "armed" with the TROPHY HV. Note: Ref. 3 is unusually a little behind in it's reporting, however, it's still an outstanding source on the progression of the NAMER.
https://www.armyrecognition.com/dece...v_armored.html
https://www.armyrecognition.com/augu..._10208171.html
https://www.defenseindustrydaily.com...the-usa-06620/


Also on EITAN I know I posted some info on this to include the IDF OOB Thread and gave a FOC projected date. I just didn't have a chance to verify when I did that, so, I don't know if some of that decision was based also on the following ref. If so my apologies in advance. From the ref. (Now deleted when this posts.) below...
"Israel’s new Eitan armored personnel carrier is in final field testing with the Nahal infantry brigade. Its series production is scheduled to start in 2021. Once the Israeli army has received enough Eitans to replace the last of their old M113s, the vehicle will be made available for export."
https://www.armyrecognition.com/nove...n_in_2021.html

USMC:
Well the CORPS has been chasing their tail on a replacement for the AAVs for almost a decade now. Even the ACV Program has had many developmental issues to include changing mission requirements etc. The process has now been settled and the first step of possibly three has begun with the ACV 1.1 with the BAE Systems vehicle having won the competition. From ref. 1 below...
"U.S. Marine Corps Systems Command at Quantico Marine Base are ordering 30 Amphibious Combat Vehicles (ACVs) and accompanying vetronics to replace the Corps's ageing fleet of Amphibious Assault Vehicles (AAVs). A $140.4 million contract has been signed with BAE Systems Platforms & Services segment in Sterling Heights, Michigan. Expected delivery of the first vehicles is fall 2019 and the 1st Marine Expeditionary Force’s 3rd Assault Amphibian Battalion out of Camp Pendleton, Calif., is expected to be the first to get them the following year."
So depending if everything goes alright, then USMC SYSCOM will be conducting the OPEVAL and possibly IOC evaluations. I feel though the IOC/FOC will be done by the "3rd AAB".
So I'm projecting FOC 01/2021. Oh that'll include the Grenade Launcher also being equipped.
https://www.armyrecognition.com/dece...s_to_usmc.html

Also this I believe I had gotten this fixed with Don already as I've been posting on the CORPS LAV-AT for some years (Since around 2011/2012) now. I believe as in the game now we had changed the date to reflect the following ref. and others at the time. If not Oops! and . Will check this later in the morning. In the meantime here's on of the better refs. on the topic...
https://www.defenseindustrydaily.com...killers-07373/

Looking at the "TYPE" now I remember this was a "minor" PITA at the time. Anyway LAV-AT2 as we had to call them, UNIT 018 01/2018 is good as entered.

Well I did say "a little later this morning.". and that last was well, a little later.

Happy New Year everyone!!

FOLLOW UP ON THIS POST!

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Chinese companies are floating preliminary HIFV concepts:

Concept of NORINCO VT-4 Heavy Infantry Fighting Vehicle (HIFV) displayed at IDEX 2019. Noticed the shared chassis with VT-4 Main Battle Tank, which would provide the vehicle with significant protection and mobility.

It's a long way from actual production; just here to show you what NORINCO is thinking about in the East....
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This is by way of an UPDATE concerning the AJAX. JANE's is reporting with the following ref. the same thing I reported using a different source before the end of the year, where I submitted a START date change to the right to JUNE 2020 I believe it was.

From the article "British Army crews will begin trialing the turreted reconnaissance version of the Ajax family of armoured vehicles during the third quarter of this year, according to the UK Ministry of Defence (MoD)." That's in 2019. And...

"...the ministry told Jane’s that the first squadron-sized sub-unit will be equipped with the full complement of the variant in early 2020 ahead of the initial operating capability (IOC) being declared the following July."

I took a gamble on FOC being reached at that time (As submitted.) because the UK has been staying ahead of schedule in the testing program to date. Apparently it's meeting expectations and proving very reliable thus far.

Please remember I have no access to the game or my notes at this time. I will endeavor in the meantime to recover that post which I think is in the MBT Thread that also contained a START Date change for the Israeli ENTAN.
https://www.janes.com/article/87527/...s-by-september
https://des.mod.uk/what-we-do/army-p...-support/ajax/
https://www.lockheedmartin.com/en-gb...-vehicles.html


Ref. 3 (Manufacturer) is indicating trials will be ongoing until 9/2020.

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I found the "offending" post to my last, it's in the IDF OOB project by GingerTanker on Pg. 8 Post #80 of this forum. Though tracking for EITAN not so much for the AJAX. So much for "crystal balls" especially when overcome by newer references (For both that also pushed them back.) since that post was submitted last Nov.

Just following up is all.

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Looks like this morning I'll be brief for a change as I have some pressing issues to take care before I hit the rack. While looking into the Turkish M-60 variant issue I came across the following from Ref. 1 and their coverage of IDEF 2019.

IDF EITAN is still in the Prototype/OPEVAL phase. First "Iron Fist Light Decoupled" (IFLD) has been selected for the EITAN. The reference is also stating that the USA has just ahead of the IDF, chosen the same system for the BRADLEY AFV.
https://armyrecognition.com/august_2...on_system.html
https://armyrecognition.com/israel_i...res_video.html


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First, Don thank you for your last reply previous this post.

This next is a "good news, bad news" story. First the good news as Australia has "down selected" the Rheinmetall Lynx KF41 IFV to compete against the Hanwha Defense' Redback IFV from South Korea in the LAND 400 Phase 3 competition.
https://www.janes.com/article/91297/...fv-requirement
https://www.armyrecognition.com/sept...3_program.html


If the BOXER competition (LAND 400 Phase 2.) from a couple of years ago is any indication, that'll take a year. Further testing and modification by the ADF with any additional contract issues, that could possibly add another 6 months.

Bottom-line for the ADF, they want them in the field by early 2026, and there you have the "Bad News" for us.

More on the REDBACK but, note the company site does not mention the 40mm MG or APS, however, on newer articles both are noted as available on the net. I provide it because it has more of the data we need to build it.
https://www.hanwha-defense.co.kr/eng...illery-as21.do
https://www.armyrecognition.com/sept...n_m113as4.html


I expect as I was asked to look into for the ADF BOXER, which ever they choose it'll have the largest MG the type is designed and tested to carry. So I believe then, whichever will carry the 40mm and APS.

My pick I feel has to go to the LYNX KF41. The main reason for this is the BOXER faced tough competition during the Phase 2 part of the LAND 400 Program and won it handling. Now Rheinmetall is embedded and established in Australia in the production of the BOXER.

But the AS21 REDBACK is an excellent IFV but, I'm not sure it's quite as good as the LYNX and again, also for the reason stated in the prior para.

JAPAN has selected it's 3rd competitor in it's APC/IFV competition the Patria AMVXP (This is still a concept vehicle).
https://www.armyrecognition.com/sept..._in_japan.html
https://www.armyrecognition.com/finl...cept_data.html


The others are the...
https://www.weaponews.com/news/65354...-vehicles.html

Note Japan's MAV is the "cousin" if you will to the MCV I submitted for the last patch which is a "gun carrier". I see the MAV has "similar lines" to the BOXER at a "quick" look.

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