The unbeatable combination is it out there?

Phoenix-D · #1 August 23rd, 2002, 02:53 AM

Properly handled I bet this combo can win at a higher percentage of the time that any other combo. Aggree or disaggree?"

Lot of racial points there, especially since the two goals don't overlap. Where are your points going?

Phoenix-D

Krsqk · #2 August 23rd, 2002, 03:43 AM

"Well I can't disagree until I can consistantly beat them. Up till now my performance agaisnt religious races isn't much better than .500."

I had a fit in my latest Devnull game against the Toltoyan. They were the Last race in my purge, and I didn't realize they were religious. My Talisman-equipped SDs plowed through their outer systems on Strategic Combat against 10-to-1 odds--until I met their new Talisman-equipped SDs. Not a pleasant surprise.

They actually destroyed my Last ship before I decided to quit attacking.

I only came back because I had better production. Now I'm building sphereworlds in every system, converting all planets to breathable, and creating new planets out of all asteroids.

Gozra · #3 August 23rd, 2002, 07:25 AM

You make My point exactly Krsqk. The Talisman with high production is diffcult to beat. But the Race can be smashed before they get the Talisman. The problem comes in that it takes awhile to spread the knowledge that a dangerous enemy is afoot. And I contend that someone with the Talisman and High production will win better than 50% of the time. With PBW Survivor2 coming up it would be an interesting testing ground.

[ August 23, 2002, 06:27: Message edited by: Gozra ]

tesco samoa · #4 August 24th, 2002, 01:12 AM

two words

GUTB ESCORTS

GUYS YOU JUST DON"T GET IT

Growltigga · #5 August 23rd, 2002, 02:01 PM

I was never part of the GUTB experience BUT, I personally find light cruisers and destroyers armed with DUC V's, armour III and PDC IV a tough combination to beat

Lemmy · #6 August 23rd, 2002, 02:25 PM

If he has more then 5 weapons per ship, or doesn't use that multi targetting component, just build lots of Escorts, sure, they may be gone with one hit, but his ship won't be able to fire all weapons, thus reducing his effectiveness.
And use the null-space projecter, if you can take out the talisman, he won't be able to hit you as easily.

Nodachi · #7 August 23rd, 2002, 02:30 PM

Gorza, you're right it is a tough combo to beat but there are ways.

Mine everything: force him to put sweepers on his ships. 30kt each means fewer guns.
Seekers: use lots of them and force him to be PDC heavy. 20kt each
Cloaking: use cloaked ships to get behind his lines and hit his planets. When he catches on he'll put sensors on his ships. 40kt

By doing all that you're forcing him to react to you and burn up tonnage on his ships.

Although now that his ships have fewer guns you still have to be able to survive getting close to him so you can hit.

Emissive and Crystalline: a couple of plates of emissive and tons of crystalline, the crystalline will get hit first but the emissive ability should take effect first (Somebody correct me if I'm wrong on this!). His shots just build up your shields.
Emissive and Organic: pretty much the same thing but the organic will Last longer because it has less damage to regenerate.

These are just a few ideas I'm sure there's a million more out there. Part of the beauty of this game is that there is no perfect strategy.