Creating African scenarios

[Artaud]

Originally Posted by Imp

Ethiopia or Eretria they are always fighting & have few or no tanks if I remember correctly in the 70s or the UN.

If you are talking about the fighting after Eritrean independence there definitely were tanks involved. There were also modern jets, at least on the Ethiopian side. Both countries spent a great deal of money on modern equipment.

[Imp]

Originally Posted by Artaud

If you are talking about the fighting after Eritrean independence there definitely were tanks involved. There were also modern jets, at least on the Ethiopian side. Both countries spent a great deal of money on modern equipment.

Could not remember which but Eretria does not get tanks till early 80's

[Artaud]

Originally Posted by Imp

Could not remember which but Eretria does not get tanks till early 80's

After a protracted guerilla war against various Ethiopian governments, Eritrea officially became independent in 1993 under the leadership of the Eritrean People's Liberation Front. The war between independent Eritrea and Ethiopia began in 1998. There are various reasons war broke out, but I'm inclined to think it was very much a personal issue between the Eritrean and Ethiopian leaders.

[FASTBOAT TOUGH]

Since Eretria's independence according to SIPRI, from "All" suppliers going back to 1975(CYA ), the only armor they bought was from Bulgaria all ordered and received in 2005. The order was for 10 LM-BT and 120 T-55 tanks second hand.

Combat aircraft: Russia...
MiG-29S FGA aircraft 1998 1998 No. could be up to 10; incl 2 MiG-29UB

(2) MiG-29S FGA aircraft (2001) 2001 2

(2) MiG-29SMT/Fulcrum-F FGA aircraft (2002) 2004 2 No. could be 4

Ukraine...
(2) Su-27S/Flanker-B FGA aircraft (2002) 2002-2003 2 Second-hand

They also received several training aircraft, handful of attack and transport helos, artillery and SAM systems to include MANPADS from several different countries.

So whatever else they got before, came from Ethiopia by whatever means.

II hadn't the time (Work!) to check the database to see what equipment they might have received for their "Popular Front" movement, yes
SIPRI covers them as well to some extent.

I'm well acquitted about their sources which is why I use them as a equipment check, especially on "questionable" equipment items. That's all well detailed on their site.

Regards,
Pat

[retiredgysgt]

I do appreciate the advice I just don't feel confident doing changes myself.

[Imp]

Follow the above advice then try those nations.
However it is quite simple if your not confident copy the whole MBT folder to another one.
Create a shortcut & rename it backup or whatever.
Use this copy to try modifying so your original install is safe.
Misc tab > turn Show ID Numbers ON #
Utilities tab > Mobhack OOB editor > Formations
Select the correct OOB > Press open & swap the tank ones for something different.
Save any changes after you make them.

# You can turn it off after this just shows the ID number of the formation/units.
So if the tank formation is ID 20 you just scroll to ID 20 & change it.
its fairly straight forward & if yo cannot figure it out just delete the backup installation.

[Artaud]

The EPLF captured a great deal of equipment from the Ethiopian military during the years of fighting, up to and including the final battles against the Derg. If I remember correctly, during the final stages of the war against the Derg, the EPLF and the Ethiopian anti-Derg forces successfully switched over to conventional tactics and weaponry, sealing the regime's fate.

Following the defeat of the Derg, Ethiopia expected the Eritreans to behave like little brothers and continue some sort of federation with Ethiopia. The Eritreans thought the Ethiopians insufficiently grateful, because without the EPLF the war could not have been won.

Because of its ethnic, territorial, political and personal aspects, the Ethiopian-Eritrean conflict is a fascinating one. I remember foreign observers calling it "Africa's first modern war." It was reported that the two sides were spending hundreds of millions of dollars on military hardware, although there was a great deal of Soviet equipment left over by the old Ethiopian army.

Eritrea is my second favorite African country. It's just a really interesting place.

I'm surprised that there has been so little interest in this conflict among wargamers. But it is what it is.

[DRG]

scenario 0128 - 128 Cry Havoc 6/98 is the only Eritrean- Ethiopian one we have

Try building a scenario..... then post it here. It can be exact if you have exact details or an attempt to recreat the battle in a more general way

[Artaud]

Originally Posted by DRG

scenario 0128 - 128 Cry Havoc 6/98 is the only Eritrean- Ethiopian one we have

Thank you. I didn't know that.

Originally Posted by DRG

Try building a scenario..... then post it here. It can be exact if you have exact details or an attempt to recreate the battle in a more general way

I will try. The war was, of course, covered extensively in African magazines and in scholarly journals to which African experts contributed. In my opinion the BBC also did a decent job.

I remember reading somewhere a really detailed article about the initial fighting in and around the town of Badme.

[MarkSheppard]

Through
https://armstrade.sipri.org/armstrad...e_register.php
https://kplanes.tumblr.com/post/1400...-cripple-fight

I made some notes for the 1977 Ogaden War with Somalia

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OBAT 063 - ETHIOPIA

New Units
25 x PT-76 in 1977-78
100 x BTR-40 in 1977-78
10 x ZSU-57-2 arrived 1977-78
35 x BMD-1 in 1977.
35 x ASU-57 in 1977.

Both the BMD-1s and ASU-57s were given to Cuban troops in Ethiopia, and used in a helicopter lifted (Mi-6) assault on Somalian troops in March 1978 where troops and the vehicles were airlifted into the enemy's rear; and then in conjunction with a conventional Cuban armored thrust, caught Somalian troops at Jijiga in a pincer movement.

Changes

Unit 011 T-62 has a start date of 1985
20 x T-62 were delivered in 1977 and another 50 in 1980.

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OBAT 088 SOMALIA

New Units
4 x IL-28 in 1965-67
7 x IL-28 in 1973-75

All were destroyed in the war by 1978.