Soviet OOB11 - 2020

[DRG]

Originally Posted by Pibwl

Sabot ammo was introduced in 4/43 according to this book

I know this is old but it related to another issue we found and are in the process of correcting.

Originally Posted by Pibwl

According to Russian book........

That's nice but which "Russian book" and exactly which shell is the author claiming was "introduced" in 4/43 ? ....and does "introduced" translate as made-it-to-the-front "introduced" or when they started making it because what I keep finding ( when I can find anything at all ) is Russian 76.2mm BR-350P APCR, which is what the sabot pen in the game represents, did not make it to units until October 1943. BR-350A and B APHEBC by their penetration capability are what we class as AP.

[Pibwl]

Originally Posted by DRG

That's nice but which "Russian book" and exactly which shell is the author claiming was "introduced" in 4/43 ? ....and does "introduced" translate as made-it-to-the-front "introduced" or when they started making it because what I keep finding ( when I can find anything at all ) is Russian 76.2mm BR-350P APCR, which is what the sabot pen in the game represents, did not make it to units until October 1943. BR-350A and B APHEBC by their penetration capability are what we class as AP.

This one: SU-76. "Bratskaya mogila ekipazha" ili oruzhe Pobyedy? ("Crew Brothers' grave" or weapon of the Victory?) https://voenka.kiev.ua/products/su-7...oruzhie-pobedy
It says, that in April 1943 there was "introduced BR-354P round into ammo load" (3,05 kg, 950 m/s, penetration 100 mm at 500 m).

However, Russian Wikipedia https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/76-%D0...%D0%98%D0%A1-3) claims, that there was a cartridge UBR-354P (53-УБР-354П), while its round designation was BR-350P (53-БР-350П). Other sources however name the round BR-354P http://www.russianarms.ru/forum/index.php?topic=12611.0 .
There is also an information in Wikipedia, that it was "commissioned" in April 1943.

Unfortunately, I don't know when they got to front. Possibly the round was accepted in April 1943, and then started limited deliveries...

On this forum somebody claims, that BR-350P wasn't produced (it was developed for all 76 mm guns including short ones) and was replaced with more spacialized BR-354P http://www.vif2ne.org/nvk/forum/arhprint/112545

There is a discussion if BR-354P were available at Kursk, basing on information, that it was introduced to T-34 in 10/43, but there are no conclusions. https://trizna.ru/forum/topic/25722-...4%D0%B8%D0%B9/

[Pibwl]

I'm afraid there is no clear evidence, that they were available at Kursk... Surely they weren't significant then.

Here somebody claims, that they got to T-34 crews and AT artillery by May, initially in numbers no more than 3. https://reibert.info/threads/broniro...arjady.256855/