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March 14th, 2022, 08:54 PM
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Re: 2022 updates?
Don,
Thanks, saw some that said out to 900m also. I know what I posted in last said 800m which I've seen elsewhere to. Ethier way you got it covered. I was just surprised by its performance, but then the original one in WWII was a very effective weapon as well for its time and a little after.
NLAW also caught me off guard somewhat, I will be "easy" on myself  and just say, I forgot it was a " top attack" weapon which is also performing quite well to.
I really can't think of anytime of the above weapons have been used in such a high intensity and numbers in a combat situation as they are now. These things are defeating Shatora and VRISS like they don't even exist. I haven't seen a video yet that even indicates they've been activated, not a one.
Kind've reminds me of all those Declassified CIA/Russian Cold War documents I posted I don't know how many years ago. We feared their tanks and they feared our ATGM's ( DRAGONs at first, fire it across a river or other large water obstacle and it could end up on the moon: doh:, early TOW not much better in the same situation.) so " Mutual FEAR" was the real weapon. This seems on the surface of it, seems to be no longer hold true.
I'm following very closely this current situation concerning of Russia requesting Military and Economic Aid from China. This shows the economic sanctions are starting to take hold. The Ruble had already lost over 30% of its value just on the 1st round of sanctions after which they closed their Stock Market almost 2 weeks ago. It has not reopened since because they know the currency has nowhere to go but down.
When this last happened to the U.S., we called it " The Great Depression. " and we know how that went. A later war would get us fully out of it. That was then and will not be the case for Russia as this war was the cause of their current economic situation. If you follow me, you know this is always a factor in my calculus.
Regards,
Pat

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March 15th, 2022, 09:49 AM
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Re: 2022 updates?
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Originally Posted by FASTBOAT TOUGH
NLAW also caught me off guard somewhat, I will be "easy" on myself  and just say, I forgot it was a " top attack" weapon which is also performing quite well to.
I really can't think of anytime of the above weapons have been used in such a high intensity and numbers in a combat situation as they are now. These things are defeating Shatora and VRISS like they don't even exist. I haven't seen a video yet that even indicates they've been activated, not a one.
Regards,
Pat

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Pat this brings up a number of issues. In the game for right now. ALL Russian tanks have either active or passive ATGM systems because that was what was reported they had
Thinking they all simply DO NOT HAVE this installed.... It might be select vehicles only and that means we need to take it off some of them and make those units x2 common
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It's another case of cardbord ERA
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These things can be turned on and off and they have them off due to their own infantry working with them and active systems would NOT be real healthy for your own troops nearby
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these defensive suites are shown on demonstrators' and other manufacturers' samples and they just don't have the money to actually buy them
OR ( lots of ORs )
They just don't work as well in combat as they do on a test range
We don't know and chances are we won't ( at least for this next update ) but we will know a lot more in a year or so
Remember too that everything in this game for active equipment is at best estimates based on the information available
The answers would only be found in official mil intel docs that we (surprise surprise) don't have access to but might be revealed in a year or two as more of the wrecks are investigated
Whatever we do it's a slam dunk given someone will have an alternate POV
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