Updates in light of Ukraine war

[MarkSheppard]

Originally Posted by FOARP

Active protection systems (e.g., Shtora) DO NOT WORK, or at least there are no reports of any of them stopping even a single Stugna-P, Javelin, or other anti-tank weapon. Why this is is hard to say - could be poor Russian maintenance but Ukrainian tanks also seem to be suffering the same thing.

APS can't work if APS isn't installed.

To this date, there is one (1) confirmed Russian tank with Hard-APS (aka projectiles hitting incoming munitions) destroyed (the lone T-80UM prototype).

Everything else the Russians have is Passive-APS (Shtora) which relies on IR dazzlers mounted on the front of the turret. You can't dazzle an ATGM launch from the side if your turret isn't pointed at it.

ERA is also a lot less effective in reality than it is in this game, at least not against tandem warheads or top-attack weapons.

We're seeing bias here -- we only see the "sexy" hit tank it blew up videos, not videos of tanks taking hit after hit and not blowing up.

there is little evidence that the armour of these tanks is very effective against even close-range auto-cannon fire (cf a Ukrainian BTR-4 taking out a Russian T72B3M from the side with its 30mm cannon in Mariupol).

You realize that is a "Stuart with 37mm taking out a Tiger with a one in a million shot via jamming turret ring" issue? Like literally; the BTR-4 gunner got lucky at point blank range, which enabled him to aim for the thin read side armor in just about every tank that's existed since logical armoring began?

The game already accommodates that via "critical penetration" chance.

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Originally Posted by MarkSheppard

You realize that is a "Stuart with 37mm taking out a Tiger with a one in a million shot via jamming turret ring" issue? Like literally; the BTR-4 gunner got lucky at point blank range, which enabled him to aim for the thin read side armor in just about every tank that's existed since logical armoring began?

The game already accommodates that via "critical penetration" chance.

The problem with all of these videos is we are only being shown what "they" want us to see. That tank did have reactive side plates which I showed earlier and when the BTR fired they reacted and then there was fire but that's the area the sponson fuel tanks are and then the video ended.

That tank was also missing its cage armour at the rear

Point blank fire with a 30mm autocannon, exploding reactive plates, burning fuel then ....

CUT! thats a wrap.

We know N O T H I N G about what happened next.... NOTHING


EVERYONE needs to watch this at least once

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9pVEP0AzZ4

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Originally Posted by MarkSheppard

APS can't work if APS isn't installed.

To this date, there is one (1) confirmed Russian tank with Hard-APS (aka projectiles hitting incoming munitions) destroyed (the lone T-80UM prototype).

There is a LOT of seemingly conflicting information and the installation or not of Arena is one of them

This is REPORTED TO BE a photo taken in Ukraine



The Arena tubes are clearly visible

This is also REPORTED TO BE a photo taken in Ukraine



That is early style Kontakt ERA

This article from 2017 https://informnapalm.org/en/russia-a...ainian-border/

claims

Russia amasses decommissioned T-72B and T-80BV tanks at Ukrainian border

for use by the L/DPR

but it may very well be that there is a wider mix of new and old equipment than assumed but chances are it will be months ( at best ) that we know for sure ( Maybe)