Ukraine OOB New and Old Toys

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Pat.

The definition of "ALL AROUND" RPG & 30mm protection " needs to be defined precisely specifically the "RPG" part but also the 30mm because in the previous post it was 30mm AP

The 30mm cannon used by the BMP in service now has an 8 AP pen and a 10 Sabot pen and if we use USA unit 65 as the base it fails the all-around 30mm test on the hull sides and rear *IF* sabot is considered. If it is only AP that is then it passes and what I now have on the Ukrainian version ( USA unit 65 minus the ERA )

Then it gets more "complicated" with "RPG"........ if "RPG" is considered RPG-7 then 65 does not pass the all-around test and if "RPG" includes the RPG-28 then even the M1A2C-THV doesn't pass as you need >90 to beat that thing

This is reportedly a photo of some of the Brads being shipped..



There is NO reactive armour on those ( not to mention the first thing that need to happen when they arrive is a coat of green paint ) and note the side armour on those does not match the thickness o the side armour on the photo used for unit 65 though the icon used for 65 might be closer than the one I'm using now

The ones being loaded look more like this


and this....

is one of the photos used in this article
https://en.defence-ua.com/weapon_and..._get-5370.html
( and the one I am using now for Ukraine

Which, I might be wrong, is what an ERA equipped one looks like without the ERA blocks

So MAYBE the blocks are being shipped crated to be installed there or the Ukrainian are going to apply their own ERA or this is what they get..... we don't know and as usual all we can do is guess and my "guess" is what I have now and is unit 65's armour package minus ERA and the ODS FC+5 is "good enough" until hard data is released and if I were the US or Ukrainian Military I wouldn't want that exact knowledge known