What happens in 2025? / new tactics- new technologies

[troopie]

Originally Posted by Suhiir

I played the "Broken Arrow" demo and was impressed by it's ability to model vehicles and weapons systems. BUT since it was a demo there were several issues with the weapons systems (types and numbers) the USMC fielded.

My major ... and it is MAJOR ... problem is that it's an RTS.

If you're expected to command/fight a company/battalion/brigade size formation I DEMAND the game be turn based. Because you can't see and be everywhere at once.

So while I'll probably buy/play "Broken Arrow" it can never replace WinSPMBT.

Sir, I agree. RTS can't work until you can give an order to a platoon, company, battalion and expect it to be carried out while you are somewhere else.

troopie

[FASTBOAT TOUGH]

Well, I would respectfully disagree with some of the comments made here.

A game "dies" when the players stop playing it plain and simple.

I somewhat resent the fact that some people have worked real hard on these games outside of Andy and Don in many ways from equipment, scenarios, campaigns and play testing and I'm sure in other capacities as well since it's inception almost.

How with so MANY OOBs can a player feel the game isn't relevant it least on the playability side?

There are several hundred possible combinations in the game. Not including all the Scenarios and Campaigns that people out here have gotten added to the game.

With my current two-year Generated Campaign, I've got it set at 35 battles.

I'll be put in an oven and cooked too well done before I could even come close to exhausting this game.

I cut my teeth in Africa, South America before I went to Europe or Asia. Why don't you visit there as well?

So, I now you to ScotCana Airways!!!!!!

May I suggest since most if not all of you already bought the "unlimited ticket" to travel the world within in these games that maybe you just might want to visit different parts of it!?!

I can ensure your flight will be non-stop with no turbulence and if you choose, Breakfast, Lunch, Dinner or Snacks will be offered at no charge by ScotCana Airways.

As always also there further will be no charge for luggage, devices, boarding passes with free parking!

Finally, as frequent flyers you still get head of the line Check In Boarding and Deplaning Privileges.

Depending on where you land be advised ScotCana Airways absolves itself of ANY responsibility for your personal safety as in some areas "might" be considered dangerous.

So, this is your Pilot FB (If I can drive a Submarine I sure as poop can fly a jet! ), Welcome Aboard Flight 1930-2025 non-stop to the world!! Please buckle up we'll be wheels up shortly as we are 6th in the que. Have a Wonderful Day!!

We fly better aircraft than these guys as we use hydrogen powered engines, and all our seats are first class!!
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https://www.loganair.co.uk/our-story/our-fleet/
Sorry Andy best I could do!

Regards,
Pat

[Mustang]

I promise that when MBT dies, MustangMBT will continue.

[jp10]

Couldn't a drone spotter just be a size0 helicopter with difficult-to-kill stat? Kamikaze drones function like airstrikes. While the grenade drops and kamikaze drones look impressive the most battlefield impact has been as arty spotters.

[Suhiir]

Don't expect the current effects of cheap drones to last.
They're VERY effective at the moment because basically no one has developed a defense against them but that will change FAST. Simple jamming or an EM pulse will drop them in a heartbeat.

[Mustang]

Originally Posted by Suhiir

Don't expect the current effects of cheap drones to last.
They're VERY effective at the moment because basically no one has developed a defense against them but that will change FAST. Simple jamming or an EM pulse will drop them in a heartbeat.

I think it's safe to not include drones in the game because aircraft are already a stretch and you can kill drones easily with rifles.

[MarkSheppard]

Originally Posted by Suhiir

Don't expect the current effects of cheap drones to last.
They're VERY effective at the moment because basically no one has developed a defense against them but that will change FAST. Simple jamming or an EM pulse will drop them in a heartbeat.

Simple jamming isn't stopping the drones on both sides from hitting their targets in appreciable numbers.

Yes, the future is going to be directed energy weapons (DEW) applied to every armored vehicle -- presumably as part of the active protection (APS) system -- if the APS detects a signature similar to the very fast spinning rotors of a quadcopter; send back a short high frequency radar burst to that target to fry the drone.

Or lasers (they're just getting deployed now) will appear in large numbers to counter drones.

Either way, a LOT of coding would be necessary to accurately depict weapons effects for both lasers and DEWs in Steel Panthers since they're a totally new "rock-papers-scissors" paradigm versus the current projectile weapon system used in all Steel Panthers since 1994.

Issues to solve would be:

1.) Size issues -- laser size is rated in kilowatts with targets being:

10 kw = Mortar shells and small drones
50 kw = artillery shells and heavier drones
300 kw = combat aircraft, etc.

2.) Lasers can be affected by dust/smoke/weather conditions; to an extent that projectile weapons aren't.

3.) Microwave (aka Radar based) DEWs are largely unaffected by weather; but are a current unknown-unknown -- in that we don't have public open source data on just how much radar energy is needed to disable/damage current threat profiles -- commercial drones like DJI Mavics should be relatively easy; but a combat aircraft like the F-16 -- IDK how well that would work, given that F-16s have been tested for operations in a nuclear environment with nuclear-generated EMP.

[Mustang]

Originally Posted by MarkSheppard

Simple jamming isn't stopping the drones on both sides from hitting their targets in appreciable numbers.

Yes, the future is going to be directed energy weapons (DEW) applied to every armored vehicle -- presumably as part of the active protection (APS) system -- if the APS detects a signature similar to the very fast spinning rotors of a quadcopter; send back a short high frequency radar burst to that target to fry the drone.

Or lasers (they're just getting deployed now) will appear in large numbers to counter drones.

Either way, a LOT of coding would be necessary to accurately depict weapons effects for both lasers and DEWs in Steel Panthers since they're a totally new "rock-papers-scissors" paradigm versus the current projectile weapon system used in all Steel Panthers since 1994.

Issues to solve would be:

1.) Size issues -- laser size is rated in kilowatts with targets being:

10 kw = Mortar shells and small drones
50 kw = artillery shells and heavier drones
300 kw = combat aircraft, etc.

2.) Lasers can be affected by dust/smoke/weather conditions; to an extent that projectile weapons aren't.

3.) Microwave (aka Radar based) DEWs are largely unaffected by weather; but are a current unknown-unknown -- in that we don't have public open source data on just how much radar energy is needed to disable/damage current threat profiles -- commercial drones like DJI Mavics should be relatively easy; but a combat aircraft like the F-16 -- IDK how well that would work, given that F-16s have been tested for operations in a nuclear environment with nuclear-generated EMP.

Drones are just a range 10 grenade. They are already part of the game.

If you do want to know the math behind how jamming works I can show you. The jammers themselves are custom made and there aren't any mass produced models you can put in an oob, but I can give you numbers.

The size value in the game already abstracts all of this. There is no reason to handle different sensors differently. If you can detect something visually you can detect it by radar as well. The size and other values in the game are just for all detection types, for example aircraft have an EW value that is used for stealth and things that aren't EW.

Again, in real life it would be shot down by rifles immediately but if we want to simulate jamming we can. Regardless of drones it would be good to have some understanding of how ground penetrating radars and such work. This also allows tunnel warfare which is the only real thing you need in tbe game as tunnel warfare happens a lot in real life.

But I can give you information on how jamming works and the signal/noise ratio functions, and you can incorporate that as a size value in units, there is no code change needed as the unit visibility is already abstracted as size, suppression, the orders system etc.

[Karagin]

I don't see lasers or DEWs on anything for the next ten years, not until they get a better power source and battery weight issues down to the realm of reality. Projectile weapons aren't being replaced anytime soon. Drones are a great idea, but they have limited use, and everyone is working to counter them so that they might be a short-term item on the battlefield.

Keep in mind not every fight will mimic the insanity we are currently seeing, and that is something I believe the Western military leadership is not keeping in their thinking going forward.

[Mustang]

Originally Posted by Karagin

I don't see lasers or DEWs on anything for the next ten years, not until they get a better power source and battery weight issues down to the realm of reality. Projectile weapons aren't being replaced anytime soon. Drones are a great idea, but they have limited use, and everyone is working to counter them so that they might be a short-term item on the battlefield.

Keep in mind not every fight will mimic the insanity we are currently seeing, and that is something I believe the Western military leadership is not keeping in their thinking going forward.

Not to mention that in any major power war, all GPS satellites will be destroyed immediately and all but the most advanced drones will be completely useless.