What happens in 2025? / new tactics- new technologies

[DRG]

ONe comment from a` post about these things

The UGVs are tele-operated with human in-the-loop operators. The tele-ops range is no longer than 50 meters. The UGVs are not autonomous as they do not (have) radar and LiDAR sensors. Long story short - very limited effectiveness

IF that 50 m radio range is accurate, then I agree they have minimal effectiveness and very "iffy" worth in the game

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by DRG

IF that 50 m radio range is accurate

Not so simple. Different connection methods, circumstances, repeater availability etc. UGVs with fiber optics spools can have a range of several km.

UGVs are still scarce and mostly utilized in special roles: Casevac, mine deploy/clear, recon by "force", barricaded enemies(like SWAT units), suicide with bigger payload than airborne against fortifications etc.

Airborne obervation/forward observer and suicide/bombers are still the dominant drone type and one of the biggest threats to any unit of maneuver/action.

[MarkSheppard]

https://x.com/mason_8718/status/1865...rc=twsrc%5Etfw

South Korea already began deploying the Laser Based Anti-Aircraft Weapon Block-I to frontline units and high buildings in the capital Seoul in December.

A twin-barreled 40mm intelligent unmanned air defense cannon is also planned to be deployed in frontline units.

However, it is said that the deployment process of this laser weapon in the metropolitan area may be slightly delayed.

Block-II is a mobile version that uses the chassis of the K239 MRLS, and Block-III is being developed as a Navy and Air Force version.

LAMD and LAMD-II are also expected to deploy along with the 'intelligent 40mm air defense system'

This is what Block I looks liek: a shipping container with a laser peeking out from it:



Block II is a hard shelter on a truck with laser:



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Meanwhile in China...

BIG NOTE: The Chinese Military Industrial Complex can crank out prototypes fast and at a rapid clip; but whether they're actually accepted by the PLA(N) is another matter.

But it shows what they're thinking of "near term" for the next 5 years.

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https://x.com/jesusfroman/status/1865681977120108661

AVIC's displayed the Laser Arrow-11E multi-mode Electro-Optical Countermeasure System, the Laser Arrow-21A/B vehicle-mounted laser anti-UAV system & the Laser Arrow-24 unmanned intelligent laser guard system in Zhuhai Airshow 2024.



Laser Arrow-11E integrates 5 interference bands:visible light,near IR,mid-IR,long-wave IR&millimeter wave.Through laser interference, damage or decoy,it makes precision-guided weapons&UAV lose their sight&guidance. Suitable for fixed locations terminal defense&moving targets



Laser Arrow-21A/B vehicle-mounted laser anti-UAV system uses high-energy lasers to control UAV targets. It can detect day&night targets while moving. The radar detection, tracking & aiming range is >8km, & the killing distance is 5km.



Laser Arrow-24 A/B unmanned intelligent laser guard system can performe unmanned intelligent patrols in complex environments such as cities, detect & intercept low-altitude targets.

[FASTBOAT TOUGH]

Concerning the Ukrainian "FURY" haven't found anything about speed yet.

However, I've found a battlefield limitation maybe you're not aware of or I noticed was posted. Generally, the following are all saying the same thing...
"This has reduced the UGV’s operational costs, while still achieving a direct line-of-sight communication range of up to 2 kilometers (1.2 miles).

Trials revealed that the mini-tank can maintain effective communication at approximately 700 meters (2,296 feet) in environments with natural and man-made obstructions.

Additionally, the machine gun fitted into the unmanned platform is equipped with targeting cameras and can hit enemies up to 800 meters (2,624 feet) away."

A couple of the others here also say it can carry 550 rounds of 7.62mm.

Also, it's venerable to AP rounds and depending on its thickness a standard NATO (Not FMJ or AP round.) 7.62mm can penetrate 7mm RHA at 300 meters. Not what we carried.

.50 BMG AP can penetrate 1 inch RHA at 200 meters.

Those values are from the ammo used ~10 years ago. They are better now, and a Barret .50 (Or similar.) current AP round or two should be enough to take it out.

It seems though the Ukrainians are using them to distract a position while the actual attack is coming from another direction/sector.
https://interestingengineering.com/m...ne-machine-gun
https://armyrecognition.com/news/arm...oogle_vignette
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/meet-lyut-...gacX6NPutdQIXz

I read the claim from ref. 1 of the attack those drones take out tanks but not this?

The last ref. seems to dispute the claim of the first...
"The platform is designed with 4th-class protection armour, offering a degree of resilience against standard bullets. "

Seems they also have a Drone by the same name as well. Speed is 120Km/H.

Regards,
Pat

[MarkSheppard]

Not a technology/tactics/etc related post -- but Syria has a new flag apparently:

https://x.com/wartranslated/status/1866035693383770408

The Russian agency RIA reports that a new flag of Syria has already been raised on the building of the Syrian Embassy in Moscow.

[DRG]

Originally Posted by MarkSheppard

Not a technology/tactics/etc related post -- but Syria has a new flag apparently:

https://x.com/wartranslated/status/1866035693383770408

Yep, we already have the change made but exactly which flag will be chosen is not clear. Right now they are back to the one from the first ten years of the game which is the one shown in that photo and others BUT that might change..... maybe

So that "new flag of Syria" is not new at all It's the one used before the Baathists took over

Set up a battle with Syria between 1948 and March 1958 and you will see the "new" flag

[MarkSheppard]

https://x.com/AirPowerNEW1/status/18...rc=twsrc%5Etfw

"Roadrunner has been operationally deployed for Combat Evaluation since January 2024 and Pulsar has been operationally deployed in multiple regions since August 2023" ~ Anduril

https://www.anduril.com/roadrunner/

Roadrunner is a reusable, vertical take-off and landing (VTOL), operator-supervised Autonomous Air Vehicle (AAV) with twin turbojet engines and modular payload configurations that can support a variety of missions.

Roadrunner-M is a high-explosive interceptor variant of Roadrunner built for ground-based air defense that can rapidly launch, identify, intercept, and destroy a wide variety of aerial threats — or be safely recovered and relaunched at near-zero cost.

Roadrunner-M is essentially a reusable MANPAD. You can launch it at an unknown threat, and if it misses or if the threat is identified as a friendly, it can be recovered for a second mission.

Pulsar is a modular software defined EW system that can be quickly attached to vehicles as needed.