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January 26th, 2025, 09:22 AM
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Re: APC Development and related topics.
The Wiesels were recently upgraded to use the Mells so they are not being replaced just yet
https://www.joint-forces.com/feature...rager-wiesel-1
AND I have already upgraded the Marders
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January 26th, 2025, 03:04 PM
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Re: APC Development and related topics.
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The Wiesels were recently upgraded to use the Mells so they are not being replaced just yet
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It might concern Wiesels of aeromobile units, which weren't supposed to be replaced according to the article.
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January 26th, 2025, 11:37 PM
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Re: APC Development and related topics.
Concerning the BOXERS they are still going through the contract process or finishing it, they will be built in Australia as they are currently the only operators of them in the field finalizing their OPEVAL and they'll be building them there for Germany.
It'll be a while before Germany sees them but, they will with the extension of the game I estimate will be available by 2027-mid to 2028 mid.
For us when they do get them, it'll be a somewhat "easy" cut and paste from the Australian OOB to the German one.
This from my Australian Army source as I've posted already from concerning, their new ABRAMS M1A2 Export tanks we built for the (Think M1A2P/M1A2T.) game.
EDIT 270713 EST JAN 2025: For those that need it to supplement the " BOXER" discussion above. They are currently having recently gone into IOC status in Australia.
https://www.defence.gov.au/defence-a...ssance-vehicle
https://www.defenceconnect.com.au/ma...ssance-vehicle
(With "across the board" BOXER concerning updates for users like the UK along with CHALLENGER 3 both expected FOR SOME TIME IN 2030.)
"LAND 400 Phase 2 is scheduled to achieve final operational capability in 2027, after which the Rheinmetall workforce will be used to support sustainment, progressive development, and upgrades to the Boxer CRV from its local facility."
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-03-...area/102130472
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January 27th, 2025, 08:40 AM
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Re: APC Development and related topics.
Hosed this up-I added an UPDATED EDIT on the BOXER situation which allows for other updates of current users and "soon to be one" such as UK IN MY LAST POST.
Sorry-going back to bed-" dam" weather change and sinuses!?!
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January 27th, 2025, 03:51 PM
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Re: APC Development and related topics.
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EDIT 270713 EST JAN 2025]
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Pat you are going to have to explain
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And a bit more precise regarding the German Boxers I can assume a number of things but funny how that always gets me a post years from now about a correction.
IF you are referring to the Boxer RCT30 coming into German service then that is more helpful to me than just a generic " The boxers"
If you Google
Is the Boxer RCT30 in german service
The answer you will get is yes. They plan to procure 150 Boxer RCT30 but even a handful in service now gets them an entry in the OOB and I have no info that says even though they sent the arty support varient to Ukraine that these are the only ones in that subgroup in existance
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January 27th, 2025, 06:21 PM
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Re: APC Development and related topics.
Malaysia - minor tweaks:
030 PARS MCV
031 PARS APC MG
032 PARS APC AGL - are in fact local AV8 Gempita
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FNSS_Pars
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DefTech_AV8
(not an APC, but I don't want to start a thread:
116 Starstreak LML - weapon is still less potent Starburst - should be copied from Britsh OOB)
(They use also Iglas, but without an exact variant nor date known, who cares...)
I won't be digging into light vehicles and vehicle-mounted light SAMs, listed in detail in Wikipedia (albeit without entry dates) 
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January 27th, 2025, 10:06 PM
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What I do know is that I in NO WAY enjoyed this last exercise. Not one bit.
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......pretty much describes every day I sit down in this chair these days.
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