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				 Re: Helo News game related. 
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903 - AH-2 Sabre  - Available 04/110 to 12/125 
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				 Re: Helo News game related. 
 First "NOT SO FAST " the last post provides for one  Squadron of the AH-2 SABRA . 
 
However, from that same reference further down we have the following...
 
"The retirement of the attack helicopters also leaves an uncertain fate  for the Poti Squadron (2nd/8th GAV), which operated the Mi-35s in Porto Velho (RO). The same source added that there is a possibility  that the unit will be deactivated or continue in operation with H-60 Black Hawk helicopters but says that so far there is no guarantee of this. "
 
I recommend leaving them in there UFN . 
 
Trying to avoid someone chasing ghosts  at this time.
 
Digging into this after I post this.
 
The reason I'm here is to post the following on HIMARS  getting 4 helicopter kills behind Russian lines. The warheads are larger than I thought they are 200lb fragmentation rounds  versus what I thought were 150lbs.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world...11e14f45&ei=46 
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				 Re: Helo News game related. 
 BRAZIL AH-2 SABRA UNITS 903 and 904 The following is I believe would serve as a good and viable END  for this helicopter and allow a little "swag " for the other squadron I noted in my last post .
 
I recommend END JUN 2022. https://www.aviacionline.com/brazili...licopter-fleet
 (This is saying the last were retired just before the Russian invasion of the Ukraine. Dated 04 March 2024.
 
Other sites are saying Mar/Apr of 2022  of the retiring. 
 
I'm still very comfortable with the END as just submitted .
 
It certainly covers all the "ambiguity " with these various dates on the web concerning the AH-2 SABRA  retirement date.
ALSO...  Brazil is to receive UH-60M Black Hawk (TI/GSR 40) helicopters  to arrive by 2027. https://en.clickpetroleoegas.com.br/...gthen-defense/
 
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				 Re: Helo News game related. 
 Concerning Post 185 Poland AW-149  weapons, don't know about the machine guns or rocket pods (They do make sense though.) unless they are the ones the Italians have on theirs?
 
But those weapons are not  listed in your ref. What is however in your JANES  ref is the following... 
"The AW149  is replacing the Mil Mi-2 ‘Hoplite' and some PZL-Świdnik W-3PL Głuszec multirole battlefield helicopters and will be armed with Lockheed Martin AGM-114 Hellfire II air-to-surface missiles . Deliveries are scheduled to run until 2029."
 
Also, according to JANES  the START should be JAN 2024  as the article (Dated 8 JAN 2024 .) clearly states the first 3 received were formally cleared  and are fully operational and fielded by that date. https://www.janes.com/osint-insights...for-operations
 
Recommend two UNITS  one as submitted in Post 185  and a second  with the MG's and HELLFIRE II missiles .
 
If Poland is receiving them from Italy with HF II capability you can be sure that Italy  has theirs equipped with them as well as those missiles would require an advanced FCS . 
 
More on them... 
"The AW149s , in a configuration corresponding to the needs of the Polish Armed Forces, will be equipped with  observation systems, small arms, guided missiles, unguided rockets, and self-defense systems.  The helicopters will also be armed with the Hellfire missiles, 800 of those have been requested by Poland to the U.S. via a Foreign Military Sale (FMS).  The armament, depending on the type and the helicopter’s configuration, may be installed in the cabin or externally on the stub wings."
https://theaviationist.com/2023/08/0...9-polish-land- forces/
HELLRIRE II Missile
 : Was introduced in 1992  and has been continually updated since. Latest version as also used on APACHE  the system uses a common launcher the M299  which holds 4 of these missiles . I expect the AW-149  should be able to carry 2 launchers fully loaded . APACHE-64E  can hold 4 launchers or 16 missiles. We primarily use the "LONGBOW " version and the more recently the R9X HELLFIRE  has become available sort of an "assassins' bullet " some refer to it as the "NINJA BOMB " suited more for operations using a UAV. https://www.lockheedmartin.com/conte...uct-Card-1.pdf
 https://theaviationist.com/2025/03/0...missile-video/
 (It deploys 6 blades and essentially "chops and dices" it's way to the target. It's a non-explosive weapon.)
 
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