SP, MLRS and SPAA Developments

[DRG]

Just a little teaser

We have the first steps done getting code in to better simulate the new SP arty units with GPS targeting that can fire, move and fire again at the same target and do it quickly and accuratly , from what I have read, a good simulation of the capabilties of the RL units.

There is still more tweaking to do but right now with a fire mission called by a GPS capable FO and a GPS capable arty unit it will be a game-changer...

[FASTBOAT TOUGH]

That's great, "Shoot and Scoot" but that's a lot of artillery units.

Patch by the Fall or LATER-THAT'S FINE BY ME.

LET'S TAKE THE PRESSURE OFF THESE GUYS SO THEY CAN COME UP FOR AIR ONCE IN AWHILE FOR AWHILE. LIFES SHORT.

WE KNOW THERE'S MORE THAN THIS COMING AS HINTS HAVE BEEN DROPPED; I'M SENSING A MAJOR SOFEWARE/PROGRAMING JOB IN THE WORKS.

THIS WILL BE PROBALY ONE OF THE BIGGEST AND MOST IMPORTANT PATCH SINCE THE CONVERSION TO WINDOWS.

SO, I SAY, "SUCK IT UP" UNTIL MAGICALLY THE PATCH APPEARS.

AS SOME HAVE DONE DON'T ASK FOR WHEN. REFER TO THE ABOVE SENTENCE.

ANYWAY, THANK YOU ANDY AND DON!!!!

GO OUTSIDE HAVE A NICE WALK TAKE IN SOME FRESH AIR AND WHO KNOWS YOU MIGHT WANT TO "HUG A TREE" OR SOMETHING!

WE'RE NOT GOING ANYWHERE ANY TIME SOON OR LATER.

I FEEL BETTER ALREADY MYSELF GETTING THAT OFF MY CHEST.

Regards,
Pat

[Pibwl]

Since we touched Chinese SAMs, minor tweaks:

593 HQ-61A SAM - there should be 2 missiles instead of 1 (as lbm shows). I'd give it an icon 8633 (similar truck with 4 AIM-7-size rockets)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HQ-6
(Wikipedia calls it HQ-61 without A. On the other hand, Polish article from 2012 calls it HQ-61B. Given the Chinese secrecy, maybe HQ-61 is the safest)
Reportedly, acording to the article, tested in 1989, but given to the army in "late 1990s" only, and first shown on 1999 parade. Maybe mid-90s is the safe date?


518 Hong Qi 16 - I suggest to rename it HQ-16, to be consistent with the rest

589 FM-80 - according to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HQ-7 it is HQ-7, while FM-80 is export version.
Maybe a better icon is 842 used for Crotale (HQ-7 is a Crotale copy, first Chinese launcher was on a trailer)

I think I won't go farther in Chinese SAMs - I have several articles, but they have plenty, and the information, especially dates and actual service, are worse then scarse.

[MarkSheppard]

https://www.defensie.nl/actueel/nieu...-kanonsystemen

The Netherlands is buying 22 Skyranger 30 mobile anti-drone systems on the G5 ASCV chassis from FFG, with delivery by 2028.

[Pibwl]

Portugal

050 M48A2 Chaparral - according to Polish 2024 article on Portuguese army, withdrawn by the end of 2010s (2019?), leaving Portugal without SP-SAM.
(also https://armyrecognition.com/news/arm...ch-rapidranger )

[Pibwl]

Slovakia

046 152mm Field Gun
048 152mm Battery - D-20 howitzer - English, Russian nor Czech Wikipedias don't list Czechoslovakia nor Slovakia among its users, and Slovak Wikipedia doesn't mention its usage. IMO it should be deleted as a field gun, while unit 048 152mm Battery should have picture changed to Dana: 23700
(no formation changes needed, since 122 mm field gun remains)

039 ZTS Dana - it carried up to 60 shells (as in Czech and Polish OOB).
Weapon could be renamed eg. to 152mm M77 FH like in Czech oob.
Range is too big (214) - it should be 210 like in Polish OOB - max. range was 20 km = 210 (214 is apparently taken from D-20 firing rocket shells - 24 km).
ZTS is a manufacturer, it could be just Dana, or ShKH Dana (https://cs.wikipedia.org/wiki/ShKH_vz._77 )

Same remarks for Dana range in Czech oob (weapon #111) and Ukrainian oob (#111)
Czech Wikipedia confirms only 20 000 m range, although after 2010 new 25-km ammunition was developed, but I don't know if it was bought.


040 Zuzana - in Zuzana the ammunition was reduced to 40 (eg Slovak Wikipedia https://sk.wikipedia.org/wiki/155_mm...z._2000_Zuzana ).
Weapon's range is only 215, should be 39 km = 229.

043 Himalaya - it remained an export proposal on T-72 chassis. However, Zuzana 2 on a wheeled chassis was adopted, with L/52 gun replacing L/45 and range increased to 41 km (231). Delivered from 7/21. It had a different cab, Ukrainian lbm 4729 can be used.
(Slovak sites: https://sk.wikipedia.org/wiki/155_mm...fnica_Zuzana_2
https://www.mosr.sk/49792-sk/-delost...nice-zuzana-2/ )

Ukrainian OOB:

175 155mm Zuzana Pl and 814 Zuzana is actually Zuzana 2, and its weapon should have range 231 (now 215), and ammo reduced to 40.

The weapon is shared with 2S22 Bohdana L/52 with 42 km range (it could remain the same, or a new one with range 232 could be created)

[FASTBOAT TOUGH]

Here to help (Maybe)...
PORTUGAL/M48A2 CHAPERRAL/UNIT 050/CHANGE/NAME/M48A2 CHAPERRAL-RISE/MISSILE RANGE/DR 9KM ALT 4KM MIM-72J IF NEEDED/END/DEC 2018. //
Portugal also operated four M48A3 CHAPERRAL Systems primarily added non-game NBC and minor updates. For the record only all were converted to the M48A3 standard. Missile data included (RANGE verified by refs included plus others not. The missile timeline MORE than supports this. Just in case that has to be adjusted as they didn't get them until 1990 and they got the latest export version across the board. Also, below verified from Portuguese military site I'm not posting for reasons that I'm getting pictures of "pretty girls" or when I click on an item, I'm sent to the RAID game site (Name is Combat Armament-Blog.). Last updated in 2010. Apparently also a couple of sites are indicating they have 24 of the original units in storage (Maybe-Me. )

However, I did get the following worthwhile item:
"The "COMMANDO" does not die...he regroups in Hell" which is more than I can say about the site. Anyway...
https://weaponsystems.net/system/759-M48%20Chaparral
(See Launch Vehicle Section bottom.)
https://weaponsystems.net/system/760-MIM-72%20Chaparra
(MIM-72J export based on above selected MIM-72G.)
https://tank-afv.com/coldwar/US/M48-Chaparral.php


So where do they go from here? That might still be a "maybe" but will track. I can tell you for certain the following will have an OTH capability with full 360-degree coverage plus IRST System plus more. The launch platform used went into production in 2020 the first deliveries made it looks like in late 2020 to very early 2021. Made in Spain for the Spanish Army plus others. Spain will be fully equipped with these vehicles later this year. I speak of the VAMTAC S3/ST5.

Portugal has just signed a contract for a small number of the VAMPAC ST5 with the French THALES RapidRanger AAM System (You will note in the video that Maylasia already has them operational.)
https://www.armyrecognition.com/news...ch-rapidranger
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s4kySg554FU
https://odin.tradoc.army.mil/WEG/***...ecfbe7931ea627
https://www.thalesgroup.com/en/marke...ce/rapidranger
https://images.thalesgroup-events.co...&utm_campaign=
(Hope this opens up. And if anyone asks, I'm a Military Analyst.

Had to do some "tactical subterfuge" to get the last.

Maylasia and as yet unknown others will need further investigation but Maylasia for sure and if I had to make a guess somewhere mid 2023/early 2024. Any takers!?!

Baked in with the best refs possible!?! (Time to get a little "cocky" our annual (And published.) two weeks in Hell is just over the horizon and the following month as we were the best Security Team in the region last year, the powers to be from a land far, far away have decided because of that, they want to see us repeat or worse (Supposed to occur only about every 3 three years if picked.) So...

"The "COMMANDO/or the Security Officer" does not die...he regroups in Hell"

Slight variation but the rest assured it can feel like it. Q&A on situational awareness issues/responses, procedures, general orders (Just like you learned in "Boot Camp".) and more I can't go into. And of course, "DRILL BABY DRILL" and when you think you're done for the day, be careful when they get back from dinner. I'll leave it to your imagination. After these are over only 2 left for the first and hopefully maybe only one or none of the latter. Not to worry as "John Q Public" will know what we're doing about access etc. April 2027 not working while in May/June I'll be burning the last of my leave and celebrating my 68th in June fully retired with 43 years served with the Dept. of the Navy plus another 15 years as a public working citizen before that. Proud to have served but, ready to call it a day the closer I get.

Regards,
Pat


EDIT: Changed spelling TORD UNIT 50/"CHANGE"/NAME/ in the submission.

[DRG]

Originally Posted by FASTBOAT TOUGH

Here to help (Maybe)...:

NOT REALLY

PORTUGAL/M48A2 CHAPERRAL/UNIT 050/CHANDE/NAME/M48A2 CHAPERRAL-RISE/MISSILE RANGE/DR 9KM ALT 4KM MIM-72J IF NEEDED/END/DEC 2018. //
Regards,
Pat

Pat

Are you telling me to change
M48A2 CHAPERRAL
to
M48A2 CHAPERRAL-RISE

?
Yes or no keep the answer that short

[FASTBOAT TOUGH]

Don,

Good Morning!

And YES.

A record!

Regards,
Pat

[DRG]

Originally Posted by FASTBOAT TOUGH

Don,

Good Morning!

And YES.

A record!

Regards,
Pat

Pat
For all the years you have posted and played this game I would hae thought by now that you would know the max number of letters, numbers or spaces for a unit name is 15 and what you told me to change the name to is 20

............ so from here on before you hit send make sure what you are asking for is actually possible.......OK?