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Re: Jets & Planes but no UAV's here.
Portugal has apparently backed out from a potential F-35 buy per news on Twitter -- breaking in the last hour -- nothing had been officially signed up to this point, so there are no cancellation costs.
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March 17th, 2025, 10:22 PM
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Re: Jets & Planes but no UAV's here.
They are NOT likely to be the only ones.
Portugal's dropping out will now mean everyone else's cost for their F-35 fighters for a single fighter has just increased by millions of dollars more considering the cost of each is in the 90 million dollars per unit price point.
The GAO and DOGE "Boss" Elon Musk have been pointing out that with all the groundings (+Crashes), production delays, technical delays, at least three different engine replacements etc. etc. have made not so much a " rabbit hole" as to be instead several "rabbit holes" all at the same time.
Our Maintenace costs alone for the "fleet" we have now will be at least 2 TRILLION Dollars.
With Musks feelings about F-35 (Google it.) and with further countries possibly still to drop out it won't take long for DOGE too go HMmm!?!. They are already looking at the DOD.
We await the outcome.
This is a good article that's up to date thus far on the situation. The video is worth a look as well on the differences of each F-35.
https://reason.com/2025/03/17/allies...st-2-trillion/
And who won the " Battle in the West"? Though redacted there's enough there to surmise it was the A-10 even though no Forward Observers from the USA, USAF or USMC were allowed to be there for the full competition or not at all. That for another time.
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March 29th, 2025, 02:15 AM
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Re: Jets & Planes but no UAV's here.
The following is a very difficult maneuver at best given the size of the plane and that it is propeller driven as well.
The maneuver is called a " 120-Degree Wingover" also the " stroboscopic effect" (Wagon Wheel) of the props are fairly interesting as well.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/techn...7371478d&ei=34
Pump up the volume!!
Something a little different for a change. Enjoy!
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Re: Jets & Planes but no UAV's here.
Poland has officially retired their Su-22s after about 40 years of service.
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September 17th, 2025, 06:49 AM
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Re: Jets & Planes but no UAV's here.
Just d'like to add something about lasts Su-22M4 (Fighter-bomber) or rather (Frontline bomber) in soviet designation in Poland Summer 1984- September 2025
Last Flight in movie from local tv
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MUbFooidegg
Here photo of Su-22M4 in last camo used since 2012
Here Su-22UM3K trainer in special camo new and old together
And here in old camo used since the beginning in Poland
https://zbiam-pl.translate.goog/arty..._x_tr_pto=wapp
https://defence24-pl.translate.goog/..._x_tr_pto=wapp |
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Re: Jets & Planes but no UAV's here.
India has retired their MiG-21 fleet.
https://apnews.com/article/india-air...c6d636fae30b77
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September 26, 2025
NEW DELHI (AP) — India retired its last fleet of Soviet-era MiG-21 fighter jets Friday, ending more than six decades of service with an aircraft once celebrated for its combat prowess but later derided as a “flying coffin” due to frequent crashes.
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According to official data, India procured 872 MiG aircrafts of various models between 1966 and 1980, making it the biggest operator of the aircraft in the world.
Between 1971 and April 2012, as many as 482 MiG crashes were reported, killing 171 pilots, 39 civilians, 8 service personnel and 1 aircrew. Human error and technical issues were cited as the causes.
The crashes earned the fighters a grim nickname of “flying coffins” and inspired a blockbuster Bollywood movie “Rang De Basanti” in 2006 based on the death of a young MiG-21 pilot.
On Friday, the fighter was accorded a colorful farewell with a last sortie led by Air Force Chief, Air Marshal AP Singh in the presence of Defense Minister Rajnath Singh at the northern Indian air base of Chandigarh. Upon landing, the fighter was accorded a water canon salute.
“The MiG-21 has the distinction of being an aircraft which has trained generations of Indian fighter pilots. It was a joy to fly. It made me the fighter pilot I am today,” air force Group Capt. Indranil Nandi said.
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Re: Jets & Planes but no UAV's here.
Strangely enough the Indian OOB does not have MiG-21's beyond a decade ago-----Dec 2015
My notes from that time are LONG GONE but seeminly someone passed on info before WinSPMBT Version 10.0 was released that Indian MiG-21's were OOS Dec 2015
Dec 2015 MAY have been a partial retirement of older airframes as this retirement only involved 2 squadrons.
I have extended the end dates of the COIN MiG-21bison to 9/125
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