OT: Star Trek Nemesis

[Magnum357]

Hey, I do have one question about all this Romulan stuff on ST:Enterprise. On the episode "Silent Enemey" (I think that is what the episode is called) when that ship (which seem to have a clocking device, could that have been a Romulan ship? When my brother and I first saw that episode, we figured "hey, maybe these are the Romulans that the crew finally runs into" yet we see some sort of creatures that board the Enterprise and then we thought "man, they sure don't look like Romulans I have ever seen".

I mean, Archer fires a Phase Pistol at them and it didn't even seem to bother them. Could it be possible that it was a Romulan ship and those creaters where etheir allied to the Romulans or controled by the Romulans somehow? Or maybe they were holograms... er.. nah! Granted, a long shot, but the encounter between the the unknown ship and the Enterprise sure did "feel" like a Romulan encounter to me. I'll say one thing, if they are not romulan, they are definitly one of the weirdest races I have ever seeno on Star Trek, even in the 24th Century.

[Major Tom]

However, from what I understand, cloaking was a new technology the Romulans developed when they fought Kirk. Their ships were also sublight vessels at that time as well. For them to keep a Romulan war realistic to Trek history it has to be primarily in space, (as any land battle would show Romulan bodies). Since Romulans were already shown to self destruct instead of surrendering, knowing what they look like will be very difficult. I do hope that they do not get into what DS9 did, and just have a big all consuming war. The war could be just a few episodes long, not a few seasons.

I am also miffed at a lot of what is going on in Enterprise. All of these technologically advanced aliens they are meeting really confuses me. Virtually all of the space that Enterprise is flying through is Federation territory by TOS. However, many aliens they encountered in Enterprise were vastly superior to them. So why would they become members of a federation sponsored by technologically inferior beings? Where did all of these 'new' races go? So far, all that we have seen from any other Star Trek episode are...

1. Humans
2. Vulcans
3. Klingons
4. Andorians
5. Ferrengi (for some reason they decided to introduce the Ferrengi in Enterprise, when they were unknown even when Picard fought them. This makes me feel that the Romulans will be done in a similar way, the crew will know them, but will feel that it is too unimportant to report to Starfleet for some unknown reason).

I may be missing 1 or two, but the vast majority of new life they are meeting is just new and too unbelievably powerful to just dissappear. What's next? The Borg?

[Puke]

Originally posted by Hadrian Tyrael S. Aventine:

Perhaps the Romulan war never happened, but was made up to cover up the Temporal Cold War.

oh please tell me you just made up that bit about the TCW? please?

I gave up watching enterprise after the first episode (shortly before that, actually) when i became fed up with the lack of continuity not only between trek serise, but from one episode to the next. lack of thought put into story arcs, temporal un-doings of events, and no direction to anything. things only make sense when over zealous fans make up excuses for why the trek universe is not COMPLETELY ridiculous, and then those theories are promptly over-ridden when some new episode comes out.

Tell me there isnt really a temporal cold war in the trek universe! thats the final straw of absurdity that would completely un-do anything any of the old episodes or old serise have ever accomplished. it just does not get any worse than that.

[Magnum357]

Well, can definitly agree with many of your points Puke and Major Tom about a lot of your points. I still wouldn't mind to see though a Romulan War because even though. As much as many Star Trek "purists" would like to shy away from wars, it did Last a few years and was a bloody war (not something that Lasted a couple of weeks and then ended). Doesn't mean ST:Enterprise will even do it, they may actually do what you said Major Tom. Also, although their is much literature that says that the Romulans were only Pre-warp until TOS eara, I really find that hard to beleive. I can't see the Romulans being a Threat to anybody if they didn't have some sort of Warp Capability. Even at Warp 1, it would take Decades to reach some of the Star Systems in the show. In the episodes that introduced the Romulans, I would have sworn that Spock only said the ship they were battling was "Sublight". I never heard anything in that episode (or other episodes) that all Romulan ships were sublight. Maybe only that ship was sublight was because the ships Plasma Torpedo and Clocking Device took up a lot of space on the Ship and the ships generator didn't have enough power to make warp Velocities (low power Warp engines perhaps).

As for this Temporal War stuff, I do agree with you Puke, its beginning to really worry me too. I don't mind Star Trek using Time in episodes, but it can really makes things hairy for explanations. The only episodes I have ever seen in Star Trek that I liked that ever dealt with time was the TNG Episode "Yesterdays enterprise" and a few Episodes of TOS, DS9, and TNG that dealt with time as more of a Random phenomina. Like for example when the Enterprise-D was stuck in a Time Bubble with a Romulan ship and Picard, Gordie, Troi, and Data had to figure it out. Or when the Bozeman was stuck in a Time loop for 80 years. Those kind of episodes intrigue me. When I see crews going back and forth through time and able to change the future in one episode then in another episode can't change the effects of time makes me quite angry at these writers. And this Temperoal War Stuff is sort of a facinating idea for a story, but I can see how this could REALLY mess things up with the whole Star Trek universe. Even Star Trek: First Contact (a great action Star Trek movie) didn't even approch the time thing right. Ok, maybe the Borg do have the ability to travel through time, but that sort of opens a pandoras box! Why not just keep sending another Borg ship to Fed Space (or a whole fleet) to the past? And why was it so easy for the Ent-E to get back to the future? I think Star Trek should just dabble with time only sparadically and make it make sense where it doesn't screw up other episodes in other series.

I think I will still keep watching Enterprsie, but I very Wary lately.

P.S. I do agree with Major Tom about the Ferengi. Even if this did occur that a few Ferengi where around the Core systems in the 22nd century, they are a LOOOOOONNNNGGG way from home. I mean, their homeworld is what... probably 2500 to 3000 light years away??? I guess they got some fine warp engines on this older ships huh?

[Magnum357]

Oh, and another thing I'm not all thrilled with the Star Trek show is... well... a lot of things.

Like for example, the design of the ship. It looks like an upside down Akira! Why not just design the ship with some TOS aspects to it. Granted, in the 1960's they didn't have anywhere near the Movie special effect capabilities we have today, but a TOS designed ship with some touchups here and their and superfical redesigning could actually make a fine vessel even for todays shoot'em up kids of the 21st Century.

Also, whats up with these Starfleet Admirals??? They seem like a bunch of whimps compared to the other series. I bet Archer could give orders to them!

And I do agree (yet again) about these races they are meeting. Some are so advanced that you wonder where the heck they are by the 23rd Century! And why do we have the Enterprise heading to Risa in the 22nd Century? Isn't it a bit farther away from earth then that? I was sort of hoping to see Enterprise just dealing with some races and visiting worlds in the nearby area (like Vulcan) and show some of the first Intersteller Colonies of humans in the nearby area (like didn't humans settle on Alpha Centauri). Maybe have first contact with Klingons but I seriously doubt Humans would be able to visit the Homeworld until years later. I don't know how much are NX-01 has covered, but I with a Warp Capability of warp 4 (max average), I find it hard to beleive that Enterprise has traveled farther then a 50 light year radius.

[disabled]

Sadly, the NX-01 design was lifted from the Akira class, Excelsior, and a few others. The designers of the NX-01 say they based in on the p-38 fighter. Yeah, sure.
There was a design similar, and a likely precursor to the 1701 of kirk, but Berman rejected saying Kirk's enterprise looked like a toy.

I've seen some nice fan made ones and even tried at making my own for a while.
http://www.spaceempires.org/gallery/fan/nx01a.gif
http://www.spaceempires.org/gallery/fan/nx01b.gif

Overall, I'm disappointed with Enterprise for the lack of original story telling. We've had what, 5 shuttle crash episodes in the first season, please, even voyager had less than that in the firt season.

The Temporal Cold War was actually another TV series that was going to be made by Braga, but paramount didn't pick up on it so they wrote it into Star Trek. They decided to toss it into Enterprise to silence the people that bash them for not being consistant.

Enterprise is the final deathblow for star trek. I am looking forward to seeing Star Trek Nemesis, but that will most likely be the end of my Trek days. Gene Roddenberry would change his name to Iben Scrood if he saw that [Enterprise] travesty....

In terms of mature, develoepd sci-fi, this is my ranking on a 1-10 scale. 10 is the most grown up.

Farscape : 10
Stargate SG1 : 10
Jerimiah : 8
Odyssey 5 : 9
Andromeda : 1
Enterprise : 2
Earth: Final conflict: 1
Voyager : 1
DS9 : 9
TNG : 9
TOS : 5

[Timstone]

Don't forget Babylon 5!!
It most defently scores a 10.

Oh, and Space: Above and Beyond. Not too perfect, but not bad. I say it scores a 7.

[ September 04, 2002, 15:57: Message edited by: Timstone ]