OT: Star Trek Nemesis

[Magnum357]

Oh, and another thing I'm not all thrilled with the Star Trek show is... well... a lot of things.

Like for example, the design of the ship. It looks like an upside down Akira! Why not just design the ship with some TOS aspects to it. Granted, in the 1960's they didn't have anywhere near the Movie special effect capabilities we have today, but a TOS designed ship with some touchups here and their and superfical redesigning could actually make a fine vessel even for todays shoot'em up kids of the 21st Century.

Also, whats up with these Starfleet Admirals??? They seem like a bunch of whimps compared to the other series. I bet Archer could give orders to them!

And I do agree (yet again) about these races they are meeting. Some are so advanced that you wonder where the heck they are by the 23rd Century! And why do we have the Enterprise heading to Risa in the 22nd Century? Isn't it a bit farther away from earth then that? I was sort of hoping to see Enterprise just dealing with some races and visiting worlds in the nearby area (like Vulcan) and show some of the first Intersteller Colonies of humans in the nearby area (like didn't humans settle on Alpha Centauri). Maybe have first contact with Klingons but I seriously doubt Humans would be able to visit the Homeworld until years later. I don't know how much are NX-01 has covered, but I with a Warp Capability of warp 4 (max average), I find it hard to beleive that Enterprise has traveled farther then a 50 light year radius.

[disabled]

Sadly, the NX-01 design was lifted from the Akira class, Excelsior, and a few others. The designers of the NX-01 say they based in on the p-38 fighter. Yeah, sure.
There was a design similar, and a likely precursor to the 1701 of kirk, but Berman rejected saying Kirk's enterprise looked like a toy.

I've seen some nice fan made ones and even tried at making my own for a while.
http://www.spaceempires.org/gallery/fan/nx01a.gif
http://www.spaceempires.org/gallery/fan/nx01b.gif

Overall, I'm disappointed with Enterprise for the lack of original story telling. We've had what, 5 shuttle crash episodes in the first season, please, even voyager had less than that in the firt season.

The Temporal Cold War was actually another TV series that was going to be made by Braga, but paramount didn't pick up on it so they wrote it into Star Trek. They decided to toss it into Enterprise to silence the people that bash them for not being consistant.

Enterprise is the final deathblow for star trek. I am looking forward to seeing Star Trek Nemesis, but that will most likely be the end of my Trek days. Gene Roddenberry would change his name to Iben Scrood if he saw that [Enterprise] travesty....

In terms of mature, develoepd sci-fi, this is my ranking on a 1-10 scale. 10 is the most grown up.

Farscape : 10
Stargate SG1 : 10
Jerimiah : 8
Odyssey 5 : 9
Andromeda : 1
Enterprise : 2
Earth: Final conflict: 1
Voyager : 1
DS9 : 9
TNG : 9
TOS : 5

[Timstone]

Don't forget Babylon 5!!
It most defently scores a 10.

Oh, and Space: Above and Beyond. Not too perfect, but not bad. I say it scores a 7.

[ September 04, 2002, 15:57: Message edited by: Timstone ]

[geoschmo]

I like Enterprise as a whole. I am a big fan of Scott Bakula, and the acting and writing for Enterprise are way better I think then the first couple TNG seasons. So far it's not been as good as TNG at it's best, or DS9 at it's worst, but if it develops the way the others did I think it will be fine.

However, the Temporal cold war thing is simply aweful. And there are a LOT of dicontinuities from the other series as others have pointed out. I had to give up on those after a couple episodes and simply take it as a separate show. Call it an alternate reality, or whatever. It does make it more enjoyable and tolerable. And you start to see the good points then when you aren't so hung up on those major gaffs.

Geoschmo

[Captain Kwok]

I enjoy Enterprise for the most part, although they've had a few clunkers. I think it's getting off to a better start than some of the other series. I look forward to the second season.

The movie Nemesis looks like it's going to be good with lots of space battles and action. Yay!

[gregebowman]

Well, I for one don't like the shortened length of each episode. If I remember right, each hour of TV is now roughly only 42 minutes, as compared to the original Trek time of 51 minutes. That's a lot of difference in time, and sometimes they have to have something done off-camera to get the episode done in the allotted time. Every once in awhile I think that I'm watching a 2 parter, when actually whatever they're talking about just wasn't filmed. That to me is really annoying. IF they're going to do that, stop trying to tell 2 stories per episode and just tell one story like they did in the original show.

[ September 04, 2002, 18:41: Message edited by: gregebowman ]

[Magnum357]

Hey, I keep forgetting to ask this question about Star Trek, but who is this Berman guy anyway? I've heard a lot of negative things about him. Diddn't he write most of the Episodes of DS9? I liked DS9 personally, but if this is the same guy, why was Voyager and Enterprise such lousy Star Trek shows? I don't know much about the writers of ST so some info about this guy would be appreciated.

You have got to be kidding me! They added the Temperal War stuff from another shows idea??? Talk about trying to use the system!!! They have basically ruined the whole ST universe just so some writers could get their idea across. Pathetic! Actually, I find it hard to beleive how humanity could acheive Time travel within a few centuries when we see a lot of other races in Star Trek (old ones like 500,000 years old) that were still not cabable of traveling through time. What makes us so special anyway?

I agree, ever since Gene Rodenbery died, without his approval/disapproval, Star Trek has been on very Wary ground. Doesn't his wife have any say on these episodes? On the other hand, even if she did, maybe she has been approving this episodes and series.

here are my list of favorite shows

Babylon 5: 10
DS9: 9
TNG: 8
VOY: 1
TOS: 5
SG1: 8
Farscape: 6