OT: Star Trek Nemesis

dogscoff · #1 September 5th, 2002, 06:02 PM

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Maybe the first gay regular character (although I am not so sure that Bashir wasn't just chasing Dax as a cover. ) but one of them (Voyager I think) had an episode where they visited a planet where everyone was gay. One of the alien scientists fell in love with one of the starfleet crew members of the opposite sex and it was all very scandalous. Her people ended up "reprograming" her or something if I recall correctly.

That was TNG. The aliens were all androgynous (sp?) and it one of them fell for Riker. The fool. There were some nice touches to that ep, actually, although it got a bit silly towards the end.

It's interesting that Trek should shy away from something like the gay issue. The first ever episode of TOS was ground-breaking (and scandalous) at the time for showing an inter-racial kiss. I guess nowadays they're too scared they'll upset all those fans who tune in just to see 7 of 9 or whatever other gratuitous T&A fodder they have in Enterprise.

geoschmo · #2 September 5th, 2002, 06:03 PM

Personally I'd like the next Trek series to be a Monty-Pythonesqe take on TOS. Like the Life of Brian, Trek style. From the perspective of a captain and crew in some backwater part of the galaxy. Use the same sets and costumes from TOS. And make them all perfectly aware of the Enterprise and the "Great Captain Kirk" getting all the good press.

It would be a hoot!

Geoschmo

Magnum357 · #3 September 5th, 2002, 07:02 PM

Well, this subject got just a tad off topic!

LOL...

One more question I do have about this Nemisis Movie. I don't want anybody to tell me any spoilers, but is this going to be the Last show of the TNG crew? I've heard on a few occassions that it could be.

I guess it would make sense too if it was the Last show of the TNG cast, 15 years and Riker still won't make captain??? Maybe he is scared of the big chair huh?

Deathstalker · #4 September 5th, 2002, 07:05 PM

"For those that want a funny tidbit into trek, Ensign Hawk in Star Trek: First Contact was supposed to be the first gay character on star trek. The scenes showing that was edited out...."

They carried over the plot to a recent StarTrek novel where you get to know the character quite well. (takes place just before First Contact).

And I'm surprised no one has mentioned the greatest sci-fi series of them all. Dr.Who

(rates a 10 in my book, at least the Tom Baker years do.)

That and alot of the best sci-fi is Animae in my mind (StarBlazers, Battle of the Planets, RoboTech, etc).

And another 'funny' trek tidbit. IIRC the Babylon5 show was pitched to the Trek guys first and they didn't like the idea, so they went on and made B5 themselves. Then of course Trek had its B5 clone (which is DS9 of course, the similarities are incredible!). Mind you of all the ST series I think I liked DS9 the most, Sisco (however you spell it) was an amazing actor (yes, I can't recall his real name right now

). But I did get real tired of the Kira/Odo thing and the fact that Worf was an 'intregal part of DS9' until a NextGen movie or novel came out where he was 'suddenly free' to save the day with his old Enterprise comrades.

Magnum357 · #5 September 5th, 2002, 07:14 PM

And another thing, I resent people saying that ST2 was single minded. It was probably one of the finest Star Trek shows ever made!

I agree with Hadrian, all those points it talked about in the movie made it really feel that you were on board the Enterprise in real life. When I first watched it (and even today), it felt real and beleiveble.

And if it is soooo simplistic, maybe that is whats missing about Star Trek anymore. They try to make it too complex so it ruins the story.

Magnum357 · #6 September 5th, 2002, 07:22 PM

Hey Deathstalker, are you sure about that with B5 and DS9? I may be wrong on this, but I think you might be a little confused. I heard their was a bit of contraversy about which story was written first, B5 or DS9, but I never heard anything that suggested that the writer for B5 approached Paramount to include his story arc to Star Trek.

gregebowman · #7 September 5th, 2002, 08:17 PM

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The absolute best thing that ever came out of the Star Trek universe, according to me, is 'Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan'. It was an unbelievably bad script, but was done very well. To me, this is what Star Trek is. ONE main plot, the starship all by itself solving its problem, action, using skill over technology [what star trek was until late TNG decided it was technology over skill].

Realistically, Star Trek died with Rodenberry. The rest are merely cover-bands or Elvis impersonators.[/QB]

The one thing about Wrath of Kahn I could never digest is the fact you don't know who Kahn's followers are. They're too young to be the original followers, yet look to old to be children. The only one who could have been an original member was Joquain, and he obviously not the same actor who was in "Space Seed". And again, he looks too young to be Joquain. So what's the deal?

And I agree. I think the spirit of Trek died when Roddenberry died.