OT: Star Trek Nemesis

[geoschmo]

Director, regarding Janeway, haven't you ever heard that it's woman's perogative to change her mind?

[capnq]

15 years and Riker still won't make captain???

The future Version of Riker in "All Good Things" was an admiral.

[Ragnarok]

"I've heard that it WAS going to be the Last TNG movie, but the actors had such a good time making it that they decided they'd be willing to do another one..."

That'd be cool if they did another one. Although just because they are willing to do another one doesn't mean that they will be in another one. I believe I heard some place that Brent Spiner (Data) was the only one to say that his role in the movies and shows has gotten boring. But that's just what I heard. It probably isn't true.

[Ragnarok]

Originally posted by capnq:
The future Version of Riker in "All Good Things" was an admiral.

That is true. I think once Picard is too old to captain a ship he'll move on. But as long as Picard is in control of the Enterprise then Riker will always be #1. IMHO.

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Actually, several trek cast members were surprised by the tagline. But I think that's required since Nemesis paid out 20million to picard and data each in salary. The film's budget was 70million. They said they might make a few mixed crew or even an entirely new crew for the next films or, if this one really makes money, a sequel to nemesis....
They said that about insurrection and even filmed and alternate ending.......

Spiner said he was tired of the role and felt he couldn't move forward, so they wrote him out for good. They wrote in the character B-9 incase spiner wanted to return.

As for Riker, he said he was after the Enterprise... Maybe they should have wrote a subplot for riker working with shizon.... Anyways, riker gets to move on.

B5 v. DS9 scandal... JMS pitched the series to a few paramount executives who turned it down. A year later, just before B5 went into production, DS9 was announced. The basically, the claim is DS9 stole B5's basic story outline. There is some merit to the claim, then again there isn't. B5 had 4 wars in 5 season. DS9 had 3 wars in 7 season. Also, JMS didn't pitch it to the Trek guys. The people responsible for the other crappy UPN sci-fi got the pitch

[ June 16, 2003, 05:19: Message edited by: General Talashar ]

[Magnum357]

Well, I think its good to hear that at least the possibility of other movies is still hopeful. I just hope if they do continue on the Star Trek Saga, plan it right and basically forget about Voyager at least. Their best bet would be to relate any future movies to DS9 and TNG. I guess we will have to wait and see, but another movie probably will not happen for at least a few years. Wasn't Inserection released in 1998?

Hey gregebowman,

About your ST2 question, I do agree, that is sort of a problem about the young people. The only theory I could think of is maybe that the entire crew of the sleeper ship were Genetically enhanced by age too. Maybe they could live longer than normal humans. I know, sounds like a Trekkie theory to explain another inconsistancy, but I have no clue what other theory explains the young followers of Kahn.

P.S. I could be wrong about this, but I heard that in ST2, their was an entire chapter of how Kahns crew took over the Reliant. I heard it was a lot of hand to hand combat and killing. I guess they cut it from the final cut because it ran too long. On the other hand, maybe they cut it because it was rediculas because even the Reliant had a heavily armed security force. Unless they were caught comepletely by suprised, Genetic Enhancements wouldn't protect you from Phasers.

[ September 06, 2002, 07:22: Message edited by: Magnum357 ]

[Major Tom]

You didn't actually get to see everyone in the TOS episode that was supposed to be from Khan's sleeper ship. So there 'might' have been some younger siblings or child prodegies (these genetically enhanced leaders probably wanted genetically enhanced successors). Yet this might also be 'filler'. Checkov was not a part of the Star Trek cast when Khan was originally in TOS, but for some reason Checkov and Khan knew eachother in Star Trek II.

These plot holes are technically small (you would really have to know your stuff to see the holes, as I had no problem with the movie until someone told me about all of the little details). When you compare it to the plot holes done recently, Star Trek II's are more explainable, as they only affected certain small bits of plot and diologue. The fact that some of Khan's followers were young, and Checkov knew Khan when he should not have does not really detract from Star Trek, as they are just minor points.

What gets me about DS9 is that it does not appear to look planned. I kept on seeing changes done to improve Ratings (adding Worf when TNG ended), having Sisco shave his head and get that gotee to look tougher. To me, the big Dominion war looks like they could not think of a way to improve Ratings, and decided to go the war route. The first encounter with the Dominion was good, when that Galaxy Class ship was destroyed. However, soon after they got the Defiant (like the Whitestar from B5) and suddenly there were hundreds of starfleet, klingon and romulan spaceships blowing up hundreds of dominion and cardassian ships. Star Trek was not about hundreds of ships fighting hundreds more, battles were usually between, at most, a few dozen. The more battles, and the more ships involved, the less personal the fighting got. Previously, to defeat an enemy ship took cunning, time and effort (it was a big deal to come up against a single Romulan warbird). DS9 made destroying any ship common place, and really got boring as all of their battles appeared to be EXACTLY the same.

B5's battles were interesting, as they dealt with different opponents, different tactics and such. The big battle between the Shadow, Vorlons and the Alliance was reminiscent of a typical DS9 batte, but this was B5's high-point in the war, and of course it must be big. Most other B5 battles were between handfulls of ships, where killing just one Shadow vessel was an amazing feat.

DS9 and VOY just ruined my impressions on what Star Trek was. Star Trek had wars (all the way back to TOS), but these were not the all consuming plot driver that DS9 got into and VOY jumped into as well. Also, half of their plots were the very outdated 'it was just a dream and never happened' with all of the alternate-dimension (they stole this from TOS and beat it until it was as boring as the borg) and time travelling that was commonplace.