OT: Star Trek Nemesis

[gregebowman]

Well, I liked seeing the space battles. to me, it spiced up the show. I know Roddenberry wouldn't have liked them, but it's neat seeing ships blowing each other up from time to time. My only thought on this is that where are the Organians in the 24th century? Like they don't exist at that point in time, or are they having their own conflict with the Q or the Prophets that allows all of this conflict to go on?

[Magnum357]

Good question gregebowman,

I've wondered that myself. Maybe your right that Q, the Prophets, or something else is fighting against the Organains and they have their own problems right now. Hey, why couldn't Gods fight amongs themselves!

I agree too about DS9. I thought it was a good idea for DS9 to introduced the Dominion War. Granted, Gene most likely would not have approved the idea, but like I said before, Wars have a huge impact on how society and culture are made in the world. Also, DS9 did approach issues that Star Trek wouldn't go into. Like for example the Vulcan killing people with a Gun and Dax had to think like a killer. Granted, sort of a copy of Silence of the Lambs, but I find it just rediculas that people in the Federation (or especially earth) don't kill each other anymore (to me, thats a Rodenberry Fantasy). And I really liked the Episode where Sisko sets up the Romulans to enter the War. Even in the star Trek Universe, their has to shades of Grey.

The Battles where neat to me too. Ok, Major Tom has a point that ship versus ship combat gave Star Trek its own flare in TOS an the Movies, but when war occurs, its just not common for ships to spread out all over the place. In wars, I would a have to imagine Fleet versus Fleet battles are the norm. Ok, ships were getting destroyed fairly easily in the show, but its not like the battles seen showed everything. I'm sure the Space Battle Feilds where tens of thousands of Kiliometers wide and when several ships concentrate fire on one ship, chances are the one ship is going to get hammered easily.

[QuarianRex]

The one thing that always got me about Trek, compared to other sci-fi, was that there were never any consequences, nothing had an effect. In TOS and TNG the crew faced invincible foes and world changing problems every episode and yet solved them in such a way that they always broke even, nothing in the universe actually changed.

Granted, this fit well with the utopian starfleet image, the enlightened olympians handing down judgement and meddling with mere mortals as they see fit, but is it human? I know that the idea was to show the best that humans could be, but it ignored the fact that not everyone will agree with you.

This is why I liked DS9 so much. Here starfleet had to deal with equals who completely disagreed with them, instead of merely handling their inferiors (whether it was technologically, intellectually, or morally inferior). DS9 showed that even in utopia there are those who are willing to take what you hold dear.

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Originally posted by Hadrian Tyrael S. Aventine:
Just to jump back to the Star Trek two lot whole of chekov, how do we know chekov wasn't on the ship when Kahn was around (maybe a scene that we didn't see). Sulu started as a science office on the ship before becoming the helmsman, same with other cast members that came on after the first episodes were made.

Good point, this could very well be the truth of the matter. While not canon, it fits the bill

[ June 16, 2003, 05:17: Message edited by: General Talashar ]

[Magnum357]

Good point Hadrian. Who is to say that Chekov wasn't doing some Academy inturnship work on the Enterprise? If I recall, Cadets are required to serve about a starship for a year or two before they graduate right? Maybe Chekov was on board when Kahn tried to take over but was in a non-senior officer role. He did have Security experience, maybe he started out with the Security detachment on board Enterprise. This would work out nice too because Kahn did try to forcably take over Enterprise. Maybe he was part of the Security Forces involved to defeat Kahn!

[geoschmo]

Maybe Checkov was working the night shift that season.

[Urendi Maleldil]

What ever happened to Special Agent Gary Seven and his kind? His super high-tech superiors seem to have disappeared.