Advise

DirectorTsaarx · #1 December 13th, 2002, 05:51 PM

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Originally posted by Krsqk:
I think we agreed that it's not ideal, and that some situations are happier afterward than before. It would be much nicer if it weren't necessary, or if there were more protections to hold using creeps liable for dumping a woman without support the minute they're done with them.

"Can't we all just get along?" (said in a laughably pitiful pleading voice)

Your summation sounds about right to me. I'm willing to "just get along" - but I'm glad for the chance to participate in a reasonably civilized debate

As for Gryphin's postulations on the origins of marriage, I'd add the idea that marriage provides a basis for paternal inheritance. In other words, it's generally obvious who a child's mother is - 9 months of pregnancy, not to mention the actual childbirth, are pretty good clues. Paternity was a little more difficult historically (although advances in DNA testing have made it easier, but not necessarily perfectly accurate either). Marriage, and the assumption of monogamy after marriage, leads to the conclusion that any children borne by the female partner in said marriage were indeed fathered by the male partner in said marriage. And, therefore, any titles, land, worldly possessions, etc. can then be inherited by those children with few (if any) social or legal obstructions. Of course, paternity only becomes important in patriarchal societies and/or in societies that do not provide for women during the childbearing years. After all, pregnancy and childraising require a great deal of energy...

mlmbd · #2 December 13th, 2002, 06:25 PM

Krsqk,

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It would be much nicer if it weren't necessary, or if there were more protections to hold using creeps liable for dumping a woman without support the minute they're done with them.

Your statement 'assumes' that creeps (us men) are 'always' responsible. No matter the circumstances. That is just not true! I don't have 'quantifiable data', for that statement. But I do know myself, and I am by no means a creep. You assume if I drop someone, I owe her something. You have not asked the conditions, for me dropping this women!

I am sure Gloria Steinem could find a place for you in NWO! But that, and Ms Gloria are an entirely different subject!

mlmbd

Wardad · #3 December 13th, 2002, 07:31 PM

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Originally posted by Krsqk:
..if there were more protections to hold using creeps liable for dumping a woman without support the minute they're done with them...

Expect those protections to be abused by women. It seems that not only women can get screwed these days.

Guys, If you make good money... GET A VASCETOMY... It can be undone later.

I know of one Engineer who was used by a woman that wanted a child without the life time baggage of a man. She is getting more in child support than she could earn in a month. She has now ropped in a second sucker. If she snags a third one her income will be better than a college grad.

BTW, Both of these guys are such obnoxious creeps, it is hard to feel sorry for them.

Krsqk · #4 December 14th, 2002, 05:43 AM

I meant no offense to anyone here who has been on the victim end of a bad marriage. Historically (and maybe stereotypically), it's been men who have abused the marriage relationship. It is ironic, with the increasing "empowerment" of women, that the traditionally male vices are becoming more common with women (for example, drinking/swearing, which used to be almost exclusively the domain of men). I agree that many women are looking for men to take advantage of, and they are "creeps" just as much as men can be.

Desdinova · #5 December 14th, 2002, 07:00 AM

one of my coworkers recently told me about his exwife. she has been married 5 times since their divorce and he was #3 at the time. the thing i found humorous about his story was that all the ex-husbands have used the same lawyer when divorcing her as he knows the history.

Gryphin · #6 December 14th, 2002, 07:06 AM

Krsqk
No offence taken. That is what discussion is for. An exchange of ideas, concepts, facts, and factoids. (in no particular order)

mlmbd · #7 December 14th, 2002, 10:37 PM

Krsqk, no offense taken here either. And I meant no offense. The great up=swing in the women movement, has indeed realigned society. Whether this is good or bad is another topic altogether. My comments are from my observations. Not a life experience. Although I have had those as well. I don't think ALL women are evil. I know some that are, and some that are not!

mlmbd