Attack of the Ankle-Biters - Replacment player needed. - Page 12

Slick · #**111** July 30th, 2003, 03:36 AM

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Originally posted by Slynky:
I'm in (FWIW).

I'll hold off on empire design (and upload) until I get something more firm on Intel.

Yeah, what he said. Intel?

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Originally posted by geoschmo:
Hmmm, well I can run some tests and see how they stack up. It's only room for three more launch bays over a frigate and it's slower becasue of the engine limit. I am thinking a couple dozen frigate wraships with one PDC each ought to be able to handle a large number of fighter. But I could be wrong. We could limit people to small fighters as well if we think they are going to dominate that badly. But I don't know. I could be wrong of course but fighters are just so suceptable to PDC, I just can't imagine them dominating anything.

Geoschmo

What am I missing here? The Fighter Bay has the "cargo" ability which means it counts towards the cargo limit. I think Transports make much better carriers than Frigates. They can carry more launch bays and more cargo bays. Maybe they won't dominate that much but I think they might shift the focus to making carrier fleets out of transports. This is kinda off from the original idea. Thoughts?

Slick.

[ July 30, 2003, 02:48: Message edited by: Slick ]

Joachim · #**112** July 30th, 2003, 04:00 AM

I vote for the mod - mainly so I dont have to remember not to research a particular item

On intel - dont mind.

On racial traits - anything goes? What about the much talked about Talisman and AS. Will they have an even worse impact on the game with only little ships? I dont have the XP to comment. But if you are doing a small mod we could also agree to ditch certain other items.

geoschmo · #**113** July 30th, 2003, 04:04 AM

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Originally posted by Slick:
Maybe they won't dominate that much but I think they might shift the focus to making carrier fleets out of transports. This is kinda off from the original idea. Thoughts?

Slick.

I think that the fact that you are limited to frigates will make fighters a little more viable. I don't think having acces to transports is going to have any measurable impact whatsoever. Did you check out my later post where I ran the tests? Two frigates with one PDC each easily handled a transport full of small fighters. Almost no damage to the frigates at all.

I think anyone that tries to dominate this game by using transport carriers is making a big mistake. Fighters just are too weak to be used as a main offensive component. They are support.

That being said if you don't want them in we can ban them too. I think you are gonna wish you had them for other things, moving pop around, minelaying, sat laying, transport type stuff. But I have no problem disallowing them. You want to put it to a vote or shall I just make a ruling?

Geoschmo

geoschmo · #**114** July 30th, 2003, 04:10 AM

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Originally posted by Joachim:
On racial traits - anything goes? What about the much talked about Talisman and AS. Will they have an even worse impact on the game with only little ships? I dont have the XP to comment. But if you are doing a small mod we could also agree to ditch certain other items.

Actually Talisman is too big to be a factor in this game. It will fit on a frigate, but take up a lot of room that could go for shields or weapons. A fleet full of frigates with talisman are going to be damn expensive compared to the cheap cannon fodder your opponents will be throwing at you. I think this would be a huge mistake, but I'd love to see someone try to pull it off.

AS is smaller, so it woudl have some use. But you are gonna see some huge fleet battles in this game. You might get a few with AS, but there will be a lot more facing you, and the ones you capture wont be all that strong. I think on balance there will be no difference in using AS in this game and in a normal game. I see no reason why it would be mroe powerful then normal.

Geoschmo

Fyron · #**115** July 30th, 2003, 04:13 AM

Talisman is 50 kT. It is 25% of a Frigate (200 kT). So, with bridge, LS, CQ, Talisman, that is 120 kT left over. Add some engines, 60 kT (unless you don't mind being slow). I think that the small ship sizes will effectively neuter the Talisman.

AS should not be that big a deal because there are no mounts guaranteeing 100% success, and there would be so many ships that you cant subvert them all.

Joachim · #**116** July 30th, 2003, 04:15 AM

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Originally posted by geoschmo:

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Originally posted by Joachim:
On racial traits - anything goes? What about the much talked about Talisman and AS. Will they have an even worse impact on the game with only little ships? I dont have the XP to comment. But if you are doing a small mod we could also agree to ditch certain other items.

Actually Talisman is too big to be a factor in this game. It will fit on a frigate, but take up a lot of room that could go for shields or weapons. A fleet full of frigates with talisman are going to be damn expensive compared to the cheap cannon fodder your opponents will be throwing at you. I think this would be a huge mistake, but I'd love to see someone try to pull it off.

Geoschmo

No issue of Sat stacks with it or WP stacks?

deccan · #**117** July 30th, 2003, 04:16 AM

Hmm, as I recall geo was giving away places in his games only a couple of weeks ago, and now he's starting a new one?

Anyway, I'll like to join this one too please.

geoschmo · #**118** July 30th, 2003, 04:22 AM

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Originally posted by Joachim:
No issue of Sat stacks with it or WP stacks?

Well, I guess that would still be an issue. But I have always felt that was a minor issue anyway as it's purely defensive. Limiting it to small WP's means the range advantage isn't going to be that tremendous for the defenders. Where the WP with talisman becomes truely evil is with the large WP mounts that can reach out and touch you just about anywhere on the map. That won't be a problem here.

Geoschmo

geoschmo · #**119** July 30th, 2003, 04:24 AM

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Originally posted by deccan:
Hmm, as I recall geo was giving away places in his games only a couple of weeks ago, and now he's starting a new one?

Well, I never said I was going to play in this game did I?

Being game owner gives mee a fix without taking too much time.

But I will admit it's been a struggle not click the little apply to join button myself.

Geoschmo

Ragnarok · #**120** July 30th, 2003, 04:26 AM

I'll go with majority as well.
We got a nice bunch of players in this game. Should be rather interesting.