Sword of the Stars? (New 4x game apparently)

[Rasorow]

I dont know what you want in a game..... let alone a 4x game but I do know that what I like and what you like can easily be lightcenturies apart... yet still be in the same game genre. That is all to the better.

Personally, I have played SE (the whole series) and Stars for years. I also played ImperiumGalatica and others. They didnt last 6 months on my selves...let alone harddrive. To many things that caused me to grind my teeth.

My frustration with the Homeworld series was 1 I couldn't design my own ships, 2 was limited to the senarios presented 3 limited to the meager resources in the game, 4 didn't have the challenge of an empire to manage.

I also was a little dismayed at the diplomacy options at first but then after talking to the devs agreed with the choice. These are alien races. You have to learn the language. Therefore you have to meet, attempt to communicate, listen, snoop, then practice their language (all research) to be able to talk to them. You cannot negotiate complex treaties when you are still speaking baby speak.. plus each race has different cultural concepts. It makes since that you have only limited options.

As for spying... you can barely talk to them.. How are you going to spy? There is some limited stuff you can do - send a ship to a region of space to investigate, etc. How are you going to infiltrate otherwise? Especially when they are infiltrating a toxic (possibly) environment?

I welcome anyone that wants to shake things up a little and provide a fresh view that is well executed. The more little fish that we get actually trying new things in good ways that listen to the community that gathers around them then the better off we are as gamers.

So let them work and present their unique take on the 4x genre. Even if you dont appreciate their work, they may inspire someone who's work you will appreciatse.

Rasorow

(Fades back into the mist)

[Hunpecked]

Rasorow writes: "How are you going to infiltrate otherwise? Especially when they are infiltrating a toxic (possibly) environment?"

We know humans can be bought. Perhaps members of other intelligent species are also for sale (or rent).

[AAshbery76]

Heh, what a strawman argument for simplistic gameplay.There are many animals on this planet humans can communicate with and they haven't built Space empires and all have IQ's under 20,lol.I laugh at such rubbish.

Anyway, i don't want to slate this game, even with such a rude designer.It does look a good military game with a starmap,but it ain't 4X.And it aint unique by any means.

[TurinTurambar]

Umm... why are you here?

[Suicide Junkie]

Kana said:
One of my most favorite computer games growing up was on a Atari 800 pc. It was called "The Battle of Midway"...yes WW2, planes and carriers and ships. All of the graphics were ascii characters, and text messages...and maybe a few bleeps and beeps...but it was very well done, and engrossing, and it had sit on the edge of your seat kinda feel...Like will the torpedo planes get any hits...how many will make it back to the carrier...will their scout planes find our carriers...I agree graphics don't make the game...'game'play makes the game...

Kana

We were talking about that one a couple years ago on the forums here...

For reference, here is a compiled version, colourized (!) and with slow-down code for todays modern computers:
http://imagemodserver.mine.nu/nick/t...Midway_exe.zip

[Kana]

Thanks...I can' believe its 92kb...nowadays games are gb's of code and such...

Kana

[Ruatha]

Warlords and Warlords2, I still play them.
Spent 12 hours on Master of Orion (Not 2 or 3) last week when I was sick, it's still great!
But that doesn't stop me from buying SE5 when it comes out!

[Mecron]

AAsh that wasn't rude, it was replying in kind Everyone seeks attention in their own way and you have found yours...not very originally of course. You want to be heard...and really, you don't want to take the risk to produce or create anything. I can understand that. It's scarey. But please, don't try and hide behind civility because you show none. And I show very little to you in return. Your attempt to be the one to define 4X or orginality is the ultimate in bombastic, pointless judgement calls. I could go on and on refuting your silly claims or making valid points of my own but in the end that is pretty much what guys like you want. Attention.
Ras gives you a bunch of reasons why he likes things in SotS and you respond with "I laugh at such rubbish." (wow dude, get a better script writer. Even Doctor Doom doesn't talk like that anymore.) So much for intelligent debate or respect for anyone else's thoughts than your own.
Lets face it...you are the person who runs into a restaurant and yells "I hate the food here!" Is it because you are interested in polite, meaningful debate? Nope. You just want to be heard by the people who are enjoying, or in this case looking forward to enjoying, their food.

SotS is attempt to break out of a mold set down 15 years ago or so. To take what works and question what doesn't. If that eludes or upsets you then don't buy the game...hell, I forbid it Its not for you. Now scurry along to the next restaurant.

[Suicide Junkie]

Kana said:
Thanks...I can' believe its 92kb...nowadays games are gb's of code and such...

Kana

The source code is only 1941 bytes. (816 when rared)

[TurinTurambar]

Wow... I havent seen a game like that since "Bombs" back in like 92. How do you play Midway? I couldn't grasp the thing just by looking at the UI.