Sharivar - LA game 4 bussy ppl. Complete. Wraithlord wins. - Page 12

Dimaz · #**111** November 25th, 2009, 04:35 AM

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Originally Posted by WraithLord

right. and Van has declared war on Gath as well. Hey, and now I broke my NAP with Gath.
Would I end up as they did?- Oh my, I may have made a mistake.

Often it's preferrable to join a war as a defending side.

Dimaz · #**112** December 9th, 2009, 04:15 AM

Now that's ridiculous. I already lost half of my SCs without any significant casualties to Ermor, and now without any reason Jomon attacked me. You want easy victory for Ermor, you'll get it.

Dimaz · #**113** December 9th, 2009, 04:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Kuritza

Ha ha ha. You will be very lucky if somebody doesn't decide to attack YOU while you try to fight Ermor.

P.S.

AaaaaaAaaaAHahaAHAHAAhahahaAHAHA! ))))))

Oh my you were so right...

rdonj · #**114** December 9th, 2009, 05:05 AM

I told you I was playing this game for fun, not to win

. Me and ermor have been very friendly the whole game, so it's not exactly sudden. I've been intending to attack you for... 6-8 turns now. There are other reasons as well which I won't go into. But this is NOT random like sciencepro's r'lyeh.

Maybe if we had done a bit more diplomacy things might have gone the other way. You and midgard are the only people in the game I DIDN'T tell I was going to attack you (okay I lied, I didn't tell atlantis either).

Heh, I wonder how much hate I'm going to get for this.

Dimaz · #**115** December 9th, 2009, 05:20 AM

From me? No hate.

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I told you I was playing this game for fun, not to win

- this is enough for me, thanks.

Have fun.

Kuritza · #**116** December 9th, 2009, 05:25 AM

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Originally Posted by rdonj

But this is NOT random like sciencepro's r'lyeh.

Sigh. But the outcome is still the same... you become other player's willing vassal, carrying him to victory.

Giving him an unfair advantage over another player, if you wish. For your fun you spoil the fun for Dimaz. And its rather unsportsmanlike.
You dont think so?

Dimaz · #**117** December 9th, 2009, 05:32 AM

2rdonj
Just one more thing. I can't understand why you think you cannot win this game. Without your interference, the most probable scenario (as I see it, and WL wrote me the same thing some time ago (however as I know he knew all along about your plans, I'm not sure about anything anymore)) was that me and Ermor draw ourselves into very long and fruitless war while you can expand in the northwest and eventually become the #1 power.
Anyway it's too late now.
Have fun.

rdonj · #**118** December 9th, 2009, 06:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Dimaz

2rdonj
Just one more thing. I can't understand why you think you cannot win this game. Without your interference, the most probable scenario (as I see it, and WL wrote me the same thing some time ago (however as I know he knew all along about your plans, I'm not sure about anything anymore)) was that me and Ermor draw ourselves into very long and fruitless war while you can expand in the northwest and eventually become the #1 power.
Anyway it's too late now.
Have fun.

While this is certainly a fair possibility for me and I maybe could go on to win the game if I played for it, I hate to attack nations I've done diplomacy with. TC and I are NAPed, and he is still removing atlantis from the land as per old arrangements (it's also questionable whether I could actually kill him as he is playing a strictly better nation and is not that much weaker than me in most categories). Me and c'tis are still technically in a mutual protection alliance against atlantis, and while I could kill him it would not be worth the pain. Especially having to deal with atlantis, I want no part in chasing fantomen out of the water :P. Ermor and I have been NAPed since way back when ermor was at war with pythium. This leaves me with no one I desire to make war on up in the northeast, and further I know I will never declare war on them. Why? Because we are perfectly content to let one another exist.

On the other hand, you are stronger than me, larger than me, and the entirety of diplomatic relations we've had this game was me giving you one item for some gems. To me this is a good target :P While it is true that this is not the optimum choice for my nation, it is the optimum choice for me given my personality and playstyle. When ermor asked for my help against you, my friendly sort of personality and the fact that you are big, scary, and exactly the sort of target I like to attack won out over my sense of self-preservation and my knowledge that whichever one of you wins this is likely to win the game.

Further, I came into this game while burning out on dominions because wraithlord invited me. I decided if I was going to play I would do so relaxed, laid back, and not worry so much about winning or playing competetively. Otherwise I probably would never have chosen to play jomon. I had a good early expansion which I completely squandered due to the fact that I really couldn't care to try to win a war against any of my very friendly neighbors and my decision to prevent c'tis from being killed by atlantis. I don't really want to deal with killing wave upon wave of undead while I march through a useless wasteland with no food either.

Kuritza - No, I don't think what I am doing is unsportsmanlike. I am merely playing what seems to me to be the best choice to make at the time. I am not a competitive person, at all, I tend to play more as a spoiler, trying to bring down whichever nation is the strongest at the time (this was gath) rather than trying to actually win games. I don't have the patience or discipline to go through and actually win a game, and I know it. I tried it once and hated the game so much I didn't want to touch it and eventually pawned that game off on another player. So I play more to experiment and figure out if things will work how I think they will.

I am also NOT ermor's vassal. I see a vassal as being something much different than my arrangements with ermor make me out to be. Being someone's vassal requires a certain level of subservience that just does not exist in our relationship.

Besides, pan still has a decent chance of victory from what I can tell. It's not quite over yet.

Kuritza · #**119** December 9th, 2009, 06:42 AM

So you spoiled this game for one competitive player to help another competitive player win the game, and you think its a fair and sportsmanlike thing to do.

I have no more questions, thank you.

WraithLord · #**120** December 9th, 2009, 06:48 AM

You lost half of your SCs already?- But you only lost two of them. How come?
I think I was just somewhat lucky on first rounds of war. I also think that you are underrating your own nation. I told you that 1:1 we'd be dragged into a long attrition war but I was more like putting on a bold face in hopes of deterring you from attacking me.
I only declared war on you b/c Van was close to being wiped out, so I came to help him. Then you made a brilliant diplo move and signed a NAP with him - freeing you to annihilate me at your leisure.

I think you're exaggerating my strength to make everyone scared witless of me. I'm 100% sure I haven't even remotely seen what you have going. Everyone has a huge research lead on me. So while I bring tons of chaff to the field you or anyone else can counter that with high end summons and spells.

As for Jomon's help it was planned ages ago. If he wants to use this war to get larger and bigger he can do just that. However that's not the point - We both are sticking to our plan, word and agreements. Said plan may result in our demise or in your defeat.
After that - to each his own.

Last, I did all in my power to stop this war after your NAP with Van and you know that. You decided to follow through and now, alas, there's no turning back.