MP: Multiera Mithril Might (Started)

[BigDaddy]

Pythium was doing fine until he recently got whooped by Formoria.

And I told Bogarus it wasn't a good idea to fight me... I guess I just looked easy to take.

I'm pretty weak though, so maybe Formoria or Hinnon would like to send a small detachment to come visit my capital.

[Meglobob]

I see MA Pythium has gone AI.

Disappointing to see a nation put up no resistance whatsoever to being attacked.

[13lackGu4rd]

yeah, Zeldor(Pythium) told me that he lost interest with this game, so when Baalz(Fomoria) air dropped him he just didn't want to bother to fight back(he could if he wanted to, still has a lot of stuff...) so he set himself to AI. he was also looking for a sub this past few days but nobody stood up to take it.

not that I agree with his decision or anything, quite the contrary, and it does suck for the rest of us, but that's the whole(or at least most) of the story behind Pythium going AI...

yeah, now Baalz will basically have free access to all that Pythium territory, so he finally broke out of his shell... but still, the rest of us are by no means powerless, we just need to play it smart...

[Meglobob]

So much for Baalz's good player pledge!

Basically if a player wants to give up he will, pledge or not and thus create a massive game inbalance.

Surprised at Zeldor since he is such a experienced player, megagame winner no less.

[Baalz]

Originally Posted by ghoul31

Hinnom and Fomoria are running away wih this game. So you should end just your war and concentrate on those two. And look at the number of troops ermor has. Fighting each other is the last thing you two need to be doing.

We should all make peace and agree just to fight those three.

Really? Are you looking at the same game as me? In what sense is Fomoria running away with the game? Zeldor's dick move notwithstanding I'm middle of the pack in income, gem income & research...a dogpile is more than a little uncalled for...though there are two very clear leaders.

[Zeldor]

Oh, well. Maybe not super gentle move, but surely fitting other players' attitude here

I was able to easily [well, ok, easily is overstatement] repel Fomorian forces, but why should I bother, when most of players are not much interested in this game? I had extreme bad luck [18 indie attacks within 27 turns + pretended routed to nowhere]. I was doing lots of diplo, at least I tried. But there was either total ignorance of diplomacy [Hinnom running away situation, Arco's approach too] or well... people doing weird stuff.

I could stay here and try to help someone win [as fighting Fomoria would eliminate both me and him from race for victory], but there was no one really trying to win here [except Hinnom and well, Fomoria]. Just messing around, playing semi-duels etc. With Pythium AI, maybe things will change a bit and revive the game, so balance is changed. Maybe someone will be forced to stop Fomoria. Or maybe someone will grab some of my lands and get stronger and think about playing for real? Maybe majority of players that play without any apparent goal will open their eyes and learn something? Treat it as my way of supporting the pledge and trying to make the game continue, not die.

If someone is against this approach - you can roll back and put a sub for Pyth. I tried to get someone interested for over 5 turns, no luck.

P.S.
Baalz is right - Hinnom and Arco are clear leaders.

P.P.S.
And it's also partly thanks to you - instead of paying attention to people running away, you decide to attack someone that was willing to fight one of them. Looks more like your support for Hinnom, so maybe people are right to be pointing you as a target for dogpiling?

[Baalz]

Sadly this isn't the first time that I've been in a game that Zeldor decided to torpedo because other players were not playing in a manner that he deemed suitable. On top of directly kicking the game in the nuts he adds the insult to the injury by going on about how terribly all the other players are. I don't think I'll be joining another game he's in. Class act Zeldor, real class act.

[BigDaddy]

So, you guys talk a little on IRC or something and then make assumptions about the players not on IRC? That's what I assume is happening. Not that I could have done much... I might have been able to do more but some genius thought the best thing to do was to attack handful of provinces protected by a lich, rather than going for the fleshy fat neighbors. Whatever, though, I thought, I will still help determine the end of this game. I cannot think of a single way in which I could win, unless I could take uncontested much of someone elses territory.

I really still don't care, I'll keep playing anyway.

It's funny because even if Hinnon gave up, I couldn't quickly take his provinces anyway, and I still wouldn't win!

[Zeldor]

You are right about one game where I overreacted about one people just going AI [not that your words here are really better versed].

And now you are reading what you want to read. You created the pledge, but you are the one joining games and not really following it. The goal for everyone should be to do everything possible to win the game, how is your invasion helping with that? You say that I'm kicking the game - you are doing the same by supporting the strongest nation. Isn't kingmaking against the pledge? Sure, you can say that you can attack him later, but that wouldn't happen if I stayed and fought the war, maybe till the end of game.

You prefer to use vulgar words, where I put simple explanation. I could say that you are trying to take revenge for example for me not liking your guides or fighting in another game. But that would be probably a lie. You have the right to attack anyone you want, be it game leader or mid-pack member. And I have the right to go AI, when I see that it can make the game more balanced and wake some people up. And I have the right to comment on people not trying good enough to win - I am not telling they are terrbile, simply suggesting more mature to MP approach. And you should know really well that it's true - you are one of the best players around after all and you know diplomacy quite well.

[Torin]

Well, I postpone hosting till we decide what to do.