MP Noobs & Vets: Rise of the AI Menace. EA, BI. Game Over. Team ACGHHS wins! - Page 147

GrudgeBringer · #**1461** March 18th, 2010, 03:59 PM

Daylight savings time rolled forward not rolled back 1 hour, and that could be the loss of the hour... but that still doesn't account for the fact that I actually SAW the time as 1:30 AM and then when I was setting it up noticed it had become 1 AM. This isn't a figment of my imagination. And Dr. P, if you where up watching it, you would have seen the same thing (unless of course it only happens in CST).

Now that I have p*#@*d off everyone, I will retire from this conversation as I have dona all I can to explain it to everyone.

Gandalf Parker · #**1462** March 18th, 2010, 04:16 PM

You can post the headers but that only says when you sent it. Not when it was received. There tends to be a fair difference in that on the net (in fact, internet rules allows for 5 hours). But I will accept the fact that you meant to send it minutes before hosting.

Septimius Severus · #**1463** March 18th, 2010, 04:43 PM

Players, Gandalf simply cannot fix the issues regarding the accuracy of the countdown timer as displayed on the nav_chk.cgi page to his satisfaction (the part that says "approximately x more hours").

When this became known, I warned players about relying on it and waiting till the last minute to submit turns, and left the countdown timer in as a courtesy, because without it everyone must do their own countdown math. But I did ask for a disclaimer, so Gandalf chose to put in the word "approximately".

So going forward, you have your choice of either

1. No countdown timer (you will all have do your own math as to how many hours to go)

2. Or keep the countdown timer and add a more descriptive warning and disclaimer to the effect "the countdown to the next host is approximate and not to be relied upon, it is provided as a courtesy, and the admins will not be held responsible for anyone who relies on it or stales because of it"

If I hear no responses, the countdown timer will be removed as it appears people are relying upon it despite the warnings that have been issued.

Gandalf Parker · #**1464** March 18th, 2010, 05:11 PM

OK at Septimius request the game has been rolled back.
the force timer is off. awaiting arcos

DrPraetorious · #**1465** March 18th, 2010, 06:03 PM

Ah, you're right, daylight savings time.

It still hosted *five hours late* and you *didn't request an extension in a timely fashion*!

My team has already started to do our turns and may not have time to redo them, even and aside from my complaints about the timing. I've never been pleased about the rollbacks but this one is over the line, at least for me. I'm going to check with my team but I think we may have to bow out at this point.

Septimius Severus · #**1466** March 18th, 2010, 06:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DrPraetorious

Ah, you're right, daylight savings time.

It still hosted *five hours late* and you *didn't request an extension in a timely fashion*!

My team has already started to do our turns and may not have time to redo them, even and aside from my complaints about the timing. I've never been pleased about the rollbacks but this one is over the line, at least for me. I'm going to check with my team but I think we may have to bow out at this point.

I am inclined to agree with you DrP. Players had plenty of time with two extensions and were warned about the accuracy of the countdown timer. The countdown timer has been removed as a result and therefore cannot be used in the future as an excuse to claim server error or request a rollback. If all teams agree I am more than happy to call the game at this point (as an alternative to sequential concessions) and declare a winner based on preponderance in the score graphs. This must be agreed to by all team captains though.

chrispedersen · #**1467** March 18th, 2010, 06:52 PM

Dr. P:

To be technical, last a recent previous turn, Septimus added hours because caelum hadn't had his turn in by hosting time. No one requested it- or complained when it happened.

In this particular case, I had previously advised Sept I would be travelling, and I asked for an extension - and sept granted it. Squirrel asked for an extension- and sept granted it.

So actually, yes, the extensions were properly requested.

As I showed in my previous post, the game posted an hour early. Forget all the talk about the countdown counter etc.

I will note that in fairly identical circumstances on 2-25 when two of your team members staled due to an early hosting you were all in favor of a redo.. and in fact politely insisted.

"I don't really think we can let this stale stand. The 3 stales are Sauromatia (yeah!), Niefelheim (boo!) and Caelum (double boo!).

I haven't looked at the turn, but it's 10 vs 4, and 2 of the 4 staleing vs. the scariest of the 10? It could be worse for us, but really..."

Despite the fact that it was advantageous for your team, I supported your request for a rollback. Additionally, on 12-07 your position was:

"We certainly cannot make exceptions based on specific tactical situations in order to be "more fair". Either don't do rollbacks at all (which works), or, if you do a rollback, for technical glitch reasons or whatever in the future, let everyone resubmit turns before the rollback goes through."

So it seems that your position changes according to whether it benefits your team.

GrudgeBringer · #**1468** March 18th, 2010, 08:03 PM

I will try and make myself clear 1 more time...

I have to get up and train every day at 4 AM for 3 hours to play a game that lasts 80 minutes. I say this because I understand if we don't take the field at the appointed MINUTE, that game time is forfeit time. Car trouble doesn't count, family doesn't count, illness doesn't count.

Game time is forfeit time.

However, if the official would say "ya know the game is around a certain time and I'll make the decision based on how I feel so live with it," and you end up forfeiting a number of times,then you have to make a decision if all that training is worth it.

I could care less if you roll this turn back or not, whether Dr P and his team wins the game or not, or if I play in another one of these games or not. I was only trying to say I ACTUALLY saw the dang timer change and I set my alarm to account for the fact that it could change agian. I never asked for it to be rolled back, I was only (and rightfully) upset that I did everything I could do and it STILL made me stale and I let my team down.

And then was told that someone was watching the timer and it didn't change....Well, it DID change, and I am also tired Dr P of spending a good portion of the few hours I have free trying to get this turn in and not have a fixed deadline, so I understand your frustration.

Congrats to the winners!! Good game to the losers!!

Thanks Chris and Squirrel for teaching me a number of things I didn't know. Game over gentlemen

GrudgeBringer · #**1469** March 18th, 2010, 08:11 PM

Chris...clean out your in box please

DrPraetorious · #**1470** March 18th, 2010, 08:59 PM

That's true, I did take one rehost. When the game hosted I believe *6 hours* early, after we had requested an extension *days* ahead of time.

Your team requested an extension, what, 3 hours before the game hosted?

Anyway, I'm sympathetic with Grudge Bringer, but everyone else is also busy, and if we're going to do rollbacks all the time, then everyone else will be unable to meet deadlines.