Exploit question

[Quitti]

Back to IRC? Madness! That's where we devise our most prized stratagems! It's only here you'll see them put into action!

[namad]

gem-gens were broken. gem-gens were solely responsible for many players quitting games and many games ending in draws. gem-gens will only work on small enough maps with small enough numbers of players (so form a small game and use 1.6cbm with gemgens reinstated)...


as far as unintentionally nerfing or buffing nations well... most of the nations which are bad and got nerfed too much "unintentionally" also have had many many many many balance patches coming from cbm too!

bad nations that rely on clams are WORSE in vanilla than in cbm1.6 ... oceania commanders costs reduced and hinnom commanders costs increase etc etc etc... and i'm sure cbm 1.8 will have even better balance



gem-gens are a dominating strategy of unimaginable power... when you play on a large map and 5different players are casting wish for gems everyturn and then some wars break out and 10armageddons get cast and then theres no more income left anywhere in the world and no more troops because of upkeep ... yeah... that'll be fun why don't we just all play games where there is 0income 0resources0supply and 100magical site settings

oh and then theres the player without gemgens who is winning in every category and starts attacking players with gem gens.... he takes half their provinces and then he realizes that they have 10times his gem income despite having half his gem income on the graphs and then he gets attacked by 100tarts being lead by 10fully geared tarts



also it's very common for games to be more popular with mods than without... things like x3, sev, moo3, ja2, beta-mount-blade ...etc...

years of testing and hundreds of hours of work into fanmade patches almost always improve games!

[Lingchih]

Wow. Since the last time I posted, this has gone from being a discussion of using Bogus' copied orders, to a discussion/argument on gemgens, and then of course to monkey PD. This is like the all-in-one topic of all time!

[sansanjuan]

Originally Posted by Lingchih

Wow. Since the last time I posted, this has gone from being a discussion of using Bogus' copied orders, to a discussion/argument on gemgens, and then of course to monkey PD. This is like the all-in-one topic of all time!

Crazy indeed. Shows there is still a lot of passion out there for a game that was launched in 2006. The pretty models adorning the Shrapnel Banners seem quite passionate about the game too. Takes the sting out of being double teamed when you imagine your opponents might be the ladies from the Banner ads.

I was also going to ask if hiring and toasting indy priests with "Life after death" in effect is considered mainstream or an exploit? But... I'm... not... sure... I should....
-ssj

[Kuritza]

Clever Baalz, very clever indeed.
50 provinces for two players and easy research, so you automatically skip the most dangerous phase... just pick Bandar Log in a real game with old-timers, and win it. My respect towards you will skyrocket then - though I bet my two games will end earlier.

[Kuritza]

I have promised not to play anymore. I dont say such things lightly, hm?

Most dangerous part is when you have no clams and no research. Just a bunch of apes.
And 1vs1 duels are different from real games with lots of players, you know that. Even where your tricks can win one war, they wont be enough to bring you victory in a real MP environment.
I know monkeys can win one early war with just 2 or 3 kinnaras (perfectly possible without clams) and perhaps some yakshas/nagas. I did it myself, you know, before I started bombarding you with golems and Kinnaras in Lapis. I didnt start that game with a ton of clams.
Problems start later (or before).

And I dont have to prove you anything. Say what you might, but when Pythium has over 7 victories in MA, Pangaea has at least 5, Abyssia-Shinuyama-Jotunheim-Caelum have 3 victories each and Bandar Log has ZERO, it has everything to do with nations power. Kek, Bandar Log didnt even win Cripple Fight. If you want to prove otherwise - go ahead, do it. Prove us that your theorycrafting about unstoppable markatas works in real MP.

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[Trumanator]

I'd like to point out that the first Cripple Fight actually didn't include a fair number of nations that are almost universally perceived as weaksauce, including both Oceanias, Marverni, and both Mans. It included some nations that I'm pretty sure weren't considered weak, like Gath and EA Aby. HoF means very little I think.

Since it used CBM 1.5, there were gemgens, and they are nearly the only reason MA Atlantis won, since he was able to simply turtle underwater and still maintain an income of several hundred pearls.

[Zeldor]

Lingchih:

You forgot about Setsumi drama :P

Trumanator:

Exactly, Abysia had clams and stones too though. He did not used them so well. I wasted few hundred S too probably. And there was Ermor with clamhoarding too. It was extremely lame - Atlantis with no N mages at all. So strat is to empower on W guy in N, summon Naiad, forge clams, cast maelstrom, get more naiads, get more clams, put nexus, get seraphs -> win.



There are some national changes that had to be in 1.6 but did not make it. I am sure there will be many more national balance things in cbm 1.7. Maybe QM won't be afraid to do it now [as taking gemgens out was rather risky thing, but most people support it now]. There are some real things to be done, for example lowering MA Pythium cap gem income.

[Kuritza]

Oh, since you mentioned Setsumi (actually, I dont think it was brought up here yet, you're the first) - I hope LA Ermor will be buffed in CBM 1.7, by lowering the cost of Spectators and Dusk Elders. )))))) Chaff is so weak and useless, after all. :P